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    DIY Inductive Annealer

    Talking with @graeme the other day inspired me to get the soldering iron out and put together an inductive annealer to take advantage of the excellent case-to-case consistency they are capable of.

    A quick play with various coil configurations quickly showed that for heating brass a gapped ferrite used to concentrate the magnetic flux would allow annealing with quite a low input power, and that could be run from a benchtop power supply. Importantly I was able to get away without the need to water cool the induction coil.

    I threw it all together on a piece of plywood along with some timing circuitry, so now – similar to the Annealing Made Perfect units - the case is hung in position using a shell holder, and then it all happens with timed precision at the press of a button.

    First a picture of the workings with a case being overheated for effect.

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    I then ran six cases through, annealing for between 6 seconds and 11 seconds at a set supply voltage, and checked the resulting colour of the brass, and where the induced heating had reached with 450F and 750F tempilaq. One advantage of the inductive method of heating is that tempilaq can be used on the outside of the cases without any risk of burning it off with elevated flame temperatures above that of the brass.

    Below, blue 750F ( 400C ) tempilaq.
    At 9 seconds the necks just starts to emit in the dark. At 11 seconds the glow is clearly visible in low light conditions.

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    Grey 450F ( 230C ) indicating the safety margin towards the case head.

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    And three photos for reference showing the colour of the necks with different light angles. Sorry the order of the cases is swapped in a couple of these.
    6 seconds: slightly darker gold than the original brass,
    7 seconds: deep gold,
    8 seconds: pink gold
    9 seconds: stainless steel
    10 seconds: straw
    11 seconds: pink/purple, and colour extends around the shoulder onto the body
    Again there is the benefit of knowing that these colours are not influenced by any flame effects.

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    great results on the cases, would love the cct diagram.
    but to be honest you need more practice soldering, its ok but not great
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    Simple DIY Induction Heater - RMCybernetics

    Mine was a bit more agriculteral, and has not progressed further
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    I'm currently building one of these: http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thr...redux.3908353/

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    Good work @Puffin

    I'd be interested in building one too, if you'd like to share.

    I'm pretty handy with a soldering iron and can easily follow drawings but really suck at designing circuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P38 View Post
    Good work @Puffin

    I'd be interested in building one too, if you'd like to share.

    I'm pretty handy with a soldering iron and can easily follow drawings but really suck at designing circuits.

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    Theres no need to design anything
    You can buy a kit on the link I posted
    Power supply for the Induction coil
    Ultra Compact Induction Heater Circuit - Power Resonator - CRO-SM1
    Coil
    Induction Heater Coil
    Coil is water cooled so you will need a small pump, raidator for cooling and 12V15A power supply as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikee View Post
    Theres no need to design anything
    You can buy a kit on the link I posted
    Power supply for the Induction coil
    Ultra Compact Induction Heater Circuit - Power Resonator - CRO-SM1
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    Induction Heater Coil
    Coil is water cooled so you will need a small pump, raidator for cooling and 12V15A power supply as well
    Mikes

    Does that include the timers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by P38 View Post
    Mikes

    Does that include the timers?

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    Awesome projects, it would be nice to get away without the water cooling.

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    The soldering might be less than 'professional', but the cases look pretty neat.
    Not ready for annealing any of my cases, but would be interested in the cct diagrams/componentry list.
    Cheers

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    A question then for the experienced annealers amongst us please: which of these cases looks to be the ideal for developing consistent neck tension?

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    I have reservations about posting lots of electronics detail on the site.
    PM me and I'll reply individually with a schematic and component details & availability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
    A question then for the experienced annealers amongst us please: which of these cases looks to be the ideal for developing consistent neck tension?
    Mmmm maybe the 9.
    BTY I use 350 lacquer just for added safety.

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    This is the residual pattern (a la Lapua) left on mine. 350 lacquer on the left hand cases. Done with gas though, not induction. Had some done a couple of years ago in an induction machine and they came out the same in appearance as my gas ones. Don't know if any lacquer was used to set up the induction machine though.
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    And these are some that I took thru to ruination, just get a feel for the times involved. Again 350 lacquer, which of course is much more reactive than yours.
    The glowing is a reference to what was happening when viewing inside the neck. Not sure you could do the same assessment with an induction machine.
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    Low temp lacquer started off with a strip from base to just under the shoulder.High temp is out of sight on the opposite side but all glazed.

 

 

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