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    Hi rossi.45, I was just having you on, I was wondering if the action had been beefed up for the 45-70 cartridge. I will leave my .3030 as is, I call it "Sudden death" does the job really well in the bush. As I have my home made Sharps I`m into loading with pp bullets and 3031 plus black powder lube ones. But at 12 1/2lbs it`s a range rifle.
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    your just the man i want to talk to then about paper patching @homebrew.357

    so how far can you hit a bucket with that rifle ?

    do you shoot LR with it ?

    R
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    Quote Originally Posted by rossi.45 View Post
    i didnt realise DPT did a .45 suppressor, thats interesting, thought i was stuck with a GunWorks maximus as the only option . . . be interested to see how that goes for you . . . and the 325s

    R.
    I'll write up a report, if/when it proves to be successful...

    The last subsonic project was a bit of fun, this is my fourth one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigc View Post
    I'll write up a report, if/when it proves to be successful...

    The last subsonic project was a bit of fun, this is my fourth one.
    info on the suppressor would be appreciated, look forward to it, I'm probably a couple months away till i have the funds so your experience would be just what i need.


    sub shooting can get addictive if your that type . . . this is my 3rd .45cal aimed at subsonic hunting, hopefully this one does it.
    ive got 2 X .30cals - a 30/30 & a .308 going thru the proceess of getting setup for LR with subs
    and a couple of .22s using subs setup for LR bunny shooting
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    Quote Originally Posted by rossi.45 View Post
    only my opinion here but i do think the nose profile of the bullet has a lot to do with the results . . a good meplat will cut/disrupt thru tissue while others such as round nose or non explanding profiles will part tissue at sub speed.
    Yep, a nice flat nose meplat does most of the work almost as effectivly as a hollow point i believe. I shoot my 3030 exclusivly now with cast bullets, the lee 170 grain flat point over 9 grains of bluedot works a treat and chronied at an average of 1100fps. And my original trapdoor still occasionally speaks with authority on game with a 405 and black powder. I cant see what ive hit till the smoke clears so dont need a second shot
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    Hi Rossi.45, Have to say no, not a long range rifle, not bad at 50m but spreads out a bit at 100m. It is a black powder cartridge so trying 65/70 grs 3f with lead bullets, 420gr and pp ones with 3031 powder. My barrel is not as good as your one being home made, with a left hand twist 1-20" and for lead bullets only. But the pp bullets are polishing the bore and less fouling than the black powder. I would love to see how it goes on goats , pigs, deer so it will be with me on my hunts, but mainly use the 3030. For the pp bullets I`m just using paper form my printer and I made a bullet mould to cast pp bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Henry View Post
    Yep, a nice flat nose meplat does most of the work almost as effectivly as a hollow point i believe. I shoot my 3030 exclusivly now with cast bullets, the lee 170 grain flat point over 9 grains of bluedot works a treat and chronied at an average of 1100fps. And my original trapdoor still occasionally speaks with authority on game with a 405 and black powder. I cant see what ive hit till the smoke clears so dont need a second shot
    always think of Custers Last Stand whenever i come across a Springfield Trapdoor . .. bullets from them with the power to shoot clean thru an Indians horse at 500yds with the original load of the day . . . maybe hard for people raised with high velocity cartridges to appreciate what the momentum of a slow moving Big lump of lead can do when it hits something . . i liken it to if you got hit by a bike at 80ks or a bus at 30ks, both will hurt . . but it wont stop the bus.

    the numbers in balistic charts dont do the big bores justice or reflect the true performance in the field . . not sure if the Taylor KO factor is better but its something to consider for hunters
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    The original loading was 70grs of black with a 500gr bullet, but in the light carbine Springfield it would knock the shooter off the back of his horse. So it was down loaded to 50grs and a 405gr bullet so they could shoot it. I`m loading pp with 35grs to 38grs of 3031 powder, M V about 1.200/300 , The bullets are smaller than the bore and its the paper that engraves in the rifling, on firing there is a paper shredding cloud in front of the gun. The Sharps rifle is no slouch in Africa, even with black powder loads and lead bullets, look up Bill Bagwells Zebra on google, it fell over be fore it`s shadow.
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    Bill Bagwells name rang a bell @homebrew.357 . . . is that the same chap in the US who makes Bowie knives ?

    is that 5 shot group 50mm at 50M . . . does that mean it'll do about 4 inch groups at 100 or does it open up more than that.

    i had a wincherster trapper in .45LC that shot reasonably well ( 2-3MOA) out to 100yds but you were lucky to hit a dinner plate at 200yds, i had a mildot scope ontop so my older eyes werent the problem, sometimes they just spray past a certain distance and become useless to you.
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    cute rifle but definitely had problems with the design - oversized oval chamber, feeding issues . . . i will say it did point well so not all bad if you can overlook the negatives . . this was my second .45

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    my first .45 - pity i couldn't mount a scope ontop, an older Rossi . . a good honest rifle

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    Yep , Bills the knife maker, and that 50m group was 60mm on the outer edge, at 100m it spreads to 150mm and I take a 6 0clock aim on target, at 50m and 100m it shoots 1-1/2 to 3" high. This is with the pp bullets, the lube black powder ones a bit more with the fouling. My Sharps barrel is .458" at the breech end and .457" at the muzzle, if you have seen my thread on here of how I made it it`s a wonder it shoots at all. My Marlin has all the parts ground and polished and also the trigger so it`s a lot smoother action now and lighter trigger pull. It`s also been plated with nickel and hard chrome, looks like S Steel.
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    Talk about one rifle and post pic`s of another one! ,. Here is my Marlin 3030.
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    That's it, boys, you got it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLP1s0IeIWw
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    always got time for leveractions @homebrew.357, especially if theyre Marlins . . . good lookn rifle, especially with the straight grip

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    first thing i did with my 336 was get rid of the front barrel band, always disliked the idea & look of them, probably why i like the
    look of the Guide gun with its short mag . . . priddy sure there was a small improvement ( 0.5MOA) in accuracy but cant prove it.


    classic @Cordite . .. cheers
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    Hi, Had a shooting session with my Sharps at the range today, not to bad at 50m with lube 420gr bullets and 65grs 3f black, mv 1.200/300 I think. It`s starting to shoot all bullets to she same point of aim, so must be polishing the bore.
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