Thread: Serious issue. You can help.

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This is another reason some introduced species should have some protection. We aren’t the other people that hold them in high regard.

Probably the same people trying to get rid off them that would have been there for a photo opportunity calling it conservation

Our new King might be able to help. Seriously, he is patron of many field sports https://www.thefield.co.uk/news/hm-k...passions-50268

Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

@MB - agree to some extent that trout are exotic, but what about beef and sheep? It is exactly the same. Same with kiwifruit, grapes and apples. Somehow, if we cultivate the exotic bovid/ovid behind a fence, it's magically different from taking an exotic fish from an unfenced stream. We need to look at things holistically. The benefit of the trout fishery to NZ is huge, and in terms of looking after water quality, an added bonus.

You are preaching to the converted. People should consider the environment as a whole, beef, sheep, fertilisers, cities, roads, sewerage, landfill, humans! etc and take introduced species in that context. Not having a pop at farmers or anyone else. All of these things contribute to our well being, health and happiness. Trout seem to push buttons because fishing for them isn't mainstream and populations are actively maintained. This is a pretty unusual situation in NZ with the exception of game birds in some places.

There were no poaka in old NZ. They were introduced same as potatoes grain crops and sheep. Some of the old maori on Taupo consider trout to be "native". I'd be surprised if wild pig poaka and kunikuni wer'ent considered in the same way.
Also consider honeybees and chickens, then hydroelectric power and geothermal energy.
There is massive political and ethnicity hypocrisy in our country.

Originally Posted by Woody

There is massive political and ethnicity hypocrisy in our country.

100% agree, but let's leave it there as we are entering the realm of politics and I don't want the thread taken down.

Done, thanks for that.

This recalls the recent comments on RNZ by Roger Lentle about how deer actually fill the ecological niche that moa once did regarding the mid and under storey of the bush. The problem is the lack of predators. That's whee we come in. If we get rid of all the deer, the ecology would be even more out of whack. I wonder if trout fill an important role since other freshwater species are extinct that we'd only directive afterwards

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

Without wishing to start an a debate this is just an observation...

The way this "problem" is framed is that this is an attack on your access and rights to pursue your interests.

If you read a little further, it appears that the protections that the exisiting regulatory groups have currently are under threat, not explicitly your individual rights to follow your own interests.

These two different representations are not the same thing.

Now I agree if F&G feels threatened it is worthy of a debate and the downsides might be significant for all of us.

I also agree that this govt is duplicitous to the max and has no interest in looking after it's own citizens rights and privileges. Anything that they do in this sphere requires cynicism and close examination...

I just don't like being PR'd and manipulated by anybody..... especially from those, who are in the first instance looking after their own rear ends...

Done

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send and done. btw this govt doesn't really care what people think. no more lab for the rest of me in future.

Originally Posted by Eat Meater

This recalls the recent comments on RNZ by Roger Lentle about how deer actually fill the ecological niche that moa once did regarding the mid and under storey of the bush. The problem is the lack of predators. That's whee we come in. If we get rid of all the deer, the ecology would be even more out of whack. I wonder if trout fill an important role since other freshwater species are extinct that we'd only directive afterwards

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

Jeeze, I remember like at least 20 years ago, an FRI scientist having his funding clipped when his research likened deer to the place the Moa had in shaping our forests.

There are vested forces at play here, and almost none have Joe Public's best interests at heart

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