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    In my experience the difference between diesel and petrol servicing costs and be a material factor. If you were buying a new ute, say, then the deal Mazda offer of a capped $200 (incl GST) for routine servicing for the warranty period makes those vehicles hard to go past......

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    I reckon with the money saved on diesel vs petrol and better economy, you can probably afford to rebuild your diesel engine about every 100,000km with the savings over a petrol.

    Based on $1.02 per litre for diesel and $1.90 for 91.

    diesel = 12L/100km+RUC = $18.24

    petrol = 15L/100km = $28.50

    5000km = $912 for a diesel, $1425 for a petrol.

    100,000km with a diesel = $18240 in fuel/RUC, 1500 in servicing (20 filters and oils) = total cost of $19740

    100,000km with a petrol = $28500 in fuel, 750 in servicing = total cost of $29250



    I get around 11 or 12L per 100km with my 1985 BJ73 for a mix of town/highway use.

    15L per 100 is estimated very conservatively for a petrol truck (because I don't have one) but a quick google tells me people with FZJ80s are getting like 18-23L per 100km. My 1.6L petrol Daihatsu Rocky ran at around 15L per 100, on 96, which was painfully expensive on a road trip. I took it from Invercargill to Cape Reinga and back once and ouch.

    Far as I can tell most other stuff (parts) costs the same. When something goes wrong on the diesel, it goes more expensively wrong, but there's also less to break.

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    I chose to buy a 2006 Petrol Prado, 4.0L 5speed auto over a 2004 in Diesel, similar ks on the odo.
    The reasons - the 1KD engine is a dog. $450 for seats and seals service every 45,000kms would be every 18mths to me.
    diesel - Higher service cost with more oil and more expensive filter. More frequent - every 10,000kms. RUCs, and higher Rego. 12L/100km.
    2004 - 4spd box. 173PS, 410Nm.


    Petrol - 15,000 km service interval. Half the service price. No RUCs. Half the Rego cost. Economy 15L/100kms.
    2006 - 5 spd box 240PS, 377Nm.

    My daily commute is 48kms round trip. If I don't go on hunting trips, my weekly fuel bill is no more than my diesel surf was, about $75.
    However, when towing, it really sucks. The diesel would have been much better for economy.

    But the power at the lights, acceleration is brilliant, and wow betide the rice burner who comes up behind me and thinks I should get out of his way....of course my Visa regrets it later.
    That VVTi really sings at 4000rpm

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    A Toyota diesel - the modern ones anyway - are one of the exceptions to the rule that diesels are cheaper.

    At one of my past jobs the hiluxs of the day spent more time in the shop getting the engines rebuilt under warranty than on the road. Ended up driving Couriers at much better opex and shitcanning the hiluxes. I've never looked back to be fair. The Toyota dealer's attitude was fuck**g crap, but like the local Ford outfit now to be fair (got too much market share and don't care if they piss you off).

    What we are needing, is a decent tough driveline in a ute, mated to decent load carrying suspension that is tuned to give an acceptable ride along with a good powerful engine and body/chassis/internal plastic bits that don't easily fu*k out. The PX Ranger is wayyyyy to plasticy and bits are starting to die on mine. Also the electronics actuators and ECU systems are a joke, just had to take it back to the dealer to get the reversing sensors reprogrammed after they stopped working (apparently due to going out of calibration) - that required an hour of tech time and approx $110 to recalibrate the ECU to allow the parking sensors to work again.

    That shit should not happen on a commercial vehicle - what does not help is turning up to the dealer and looking down the row of the service desks and counting 15+ people of which only about 6 are appearing to be actively doing something productive. I suspect I will be going to a new service outfit very shortly, I have one lined up who is better in every respect apart from the coffee served. And at half the price!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser308 View Post
    A Toyota diesel - the modern ones anyway - are one of the exceptions to the rule that diesels are cheaper.

    At one of my past jobs the hiluxs of the day spent more time in the shop getting the engines rebuilt under warranty than on the road. Ended up driving Couriers at much better opex and shitcanning the hiluxes. I've never looked back to be fair. The Toyota dealer's attitude was fuck**g crap, but like the local Ford outfit now to be fair (got too much market share and don't care if they piss you off).

    What we are needing, is a decent tough driveline in a ute, mated to decent load carrying suspension that is tuned to give an acceptable ride along with a good powerful engine and body/chassis/internal plastic bits that don't easily fu*k out. The PX Ranger is wayyyyy to plasticy and bits are starting to die on mine. Also the electronics actuators and ECU systems are a joke, just had to take it back to the dealer to get the reversing sensors reprogrammed after they stopped working (apparently due to going out of calibration) - that required an hour of tech time and approx $110 to recalibrate the ECU to allow the parking sensors to work again.

    That shit should not happen on a commercial vehicle - what does not help is turning up to the dealer and looking down the row of the service desks and counting 15+ people of which only about 6 are appearing to be actively doing something productive. I suspect I will be going to a new service outfit very shortly, I have one lined up who is better in every respect apart from the coffee served. And at half the price!!!

    I hear ya. I have 2 diesel Vehicles a 93 Pajero SWB and a 2009 BT50. The pajero has done 240K , never been babied and drowned twice, and apart from a wee gearbox repair and servicing costs me nothing but RUC and diesel and always starts / runs the other "thing" cost 36,000 second hand and has done 117K and cost in repairs so far is $11,000. Now we purchased a 3 year warranty when we brought it and another when the original warrenty expired so this cost has been met by them. The ironic thing is this was the most I have ever spent on a vehicle, the most we have ever spent on preventative maintenance and the lowest KM vehicle I have ever brought but over the 4 years we owned it would have crippled us if not for the warrenty (and thats another story)

    Now I reckon it would not matter weather it was a Mazda, Toyota , Nissan or ............................................ we would have same issues. One of my mates upgrades just before the warrenty expires on his new ones as he reckons he could not afford to fix one out of warrenty with even a simple "few thousand dollar" repair
    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation................................but I'm not one of them

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    Diesels will become more economic to run than petrol the larger they get as the RUCs become a much smaller part of the running cost.
    My wife has a 1.6 turbo diesel sedan which has wonderful torque and runs on the smell of the proverbial oily rag but she pays just as much in ROC as she does for diesel!
    I was looking at some specs on petrol/diesel vehicles the other day and in one model, the 2.0 litre turbo diesel produced TWICE the torque of the larger petrol version at much lower revs and peak torque was spread over a 1000 rpm band right at the rev range you need it. No need to thrash them to accelerate quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shearer View Post
    Diesels will become more economic to run than petrol the larger they get as the RUCs become a much smaller part of the running cost.
    My wife has a 1.6 turbo diesel sedan which has wonderful torque and runs on the smell of the proverbial oily rag but she pays just as much in ROC as she does for diesel!
    I was looking at some specs on petrol/diesel vehicles the other day and in one model, the 2.0 litre turbo diesel produced TWICE the torque of the larger petrol version at much lower revs and peak torque was spread over a 1000 rpm band right at the rev range you need it. No need to thrash them to accelerate quickly.
    Have the old man's 3.0 outback same grunt in his new 2.4(?) turbo diesel and WAY better economy

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    I went from diesel to petrol for a different reason - I would often forget to top up my RUC and would get pinged by a cop for it so that ended up being uneconomic

    A stupid reason but I'll fess up to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    I went from diesel to petrol for a different reason - I would often forget to top up my RUC and would get pinged by a cop for it so that ended up being uneconomic

    A stupid reason but I'll fess up to it
    I just time mine so it's needs doing when I do the oil change

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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    I went from diesel to petrol for a different reason - I would often forget to top up my RUC and would get pinged by a cop for it so that ended up being uneconomic

    A stupid reason but I'll fess up to it
    I know it. I have 5 diesels to do and used to miss all the time. Now I put a reminder on my phone to check every 3 months. i haven't missed for awhile. Same with rego but like a birthday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    I went from diesel to petrol for a different reason - I would often forget to top up my RUC and would get pinged by a cop for it so that ended up being uneconomic

    A stupid reason but I'll fess up to it
    Shit, I better have a look at the Mrs wagon..... we are both crap at remembering for the rucs .....

    Oh and it's a Ford kuga titanium, goes bloody well (when i get to drive it) and on a sniff of a oily rag (when I don't get to drive it)
    Please excuse spelling, as finger speed is sometimes behind brain spped........ Or maybe the other wayy.....

 

 

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