Thread: When will trade me sellers learn

Originally Posted by Dougie

It's a code. Same as guidelines. Something to try to point you in the right direction. It is my understanding that you cannot be charged with not obiding to a code or guideline; it would be supported by an Act if it was a law.

So...you say we should also ignore the road code?...love to see you run your theory past Mr Plod on either code.

I'd not saying that they should be ignored. I am saying that if you ran a red light and were pulled over by a policeman, he would issue you a ticket under the Land Transport Act, not "the road code".

I also have no idea what you mean by the Mr Plod reference.

Originally Posted by Spook

So...you are quite happy to ignore the conditions of your firearms license on one point...how many other points are you happy to ignore?

Really? Point out where I am breaking the law and I will revisit my activities, but FFS dont come off high and mighty and insinuate I am doing other things wrong. I have loaded ammo for members of the police. I have enquired how to be licenced to cover my ass but no one can advise as to where or how, police included.

Originally Posted by R93

Really? Point out where I am breaking the law and I will revisit my activities, but FFS dont come off high and mighty and insinuate I am doing other things wrong. I have loaded ammo for members of the police. I have enquired how to be licenced to cover my ass but no one can advise as to where or how, police included.

page 26 of the arms code...read it...nothing high and mighty about it...loading ammo for members of the police does not make it "alright"

Originally Posted by Spook

page 26 of the arms code...read it...nothing high and mighty about it...loading ammo for members of the police does not make it "alright"

I have read it. As previously stated it is a code. Point out to where it is in the act please. I have, as said, questioned the relavant police as to how and where I can get licenced and there is no such thing according to the advice I have been given. I cant do much more than that.
The high and mighty reference was your stab at what other things I would be prepared to do against the code or act. A typical assumption of someone coming off high and mighty to me, considering one topic is being discussed.
However I will get something in writing from the police before I continue to load anymore ammo for mates or the like.

Originally Posted by Spook

page 26 of the arms code...read it...nothing high and mighty about it...loading ammo for members of the police does not make it "alright"

Some recommendations in the Arms Code are not entirely backed up by the Arms Act. Whilst it is an offence under the Arms Act to supply any ammunition to someone who is not (a) the holder of a firearms licence or (b) a licensed dealer, the Arms Act makes no specific mention of reloads. However, they might be covered by another Act, such as the Hazardous Substances Transfer Regulations.

The point is, the Arms Code is only a set of recommendations and it is entirely possible that some things the Code says are "illegal" are not in fact covered by any Acts and so are effectively loopholes open for exploit.

Ray.

Originally Posted by ishoot10s

Some recommendations in the Arms Code are not entirely backed up by the Arms Act. Whilst it is an offence under the Arms Act to supply any ammunition to someone who is not (a) the holder of a firearms licence or (b) a licensed dealer, the Arms Act makes no specific mention of reloads. However, they might be covered by another Act, such as the Hazardous Substances Transfer Regulations.

The point is, the Arms Code is only a set of recommendations and it is entirely possible that some things the Code says are "illegal" are not in fact covered by any Acts and so are effectively loopholes open for exploit.

Ray.

Well put, there are a lot of things within New Zeland that are suggested under codes or principals, it is best to remember it is the acts that provide the legislative backing for prosecution etc, codes etc give guidelines for conduct but the act brings the hammer in the court. At times codes/pricipals are not aligned with acts and things can be grey. At this point it is a subjective debate that would be hard to settle other than saying it is not evident in the arms act but is seen in the arms code. I'm not aware of any court cases relating to reloaded ammo in NZ, would be an interesting read if somebody could find one, see how the judge interpretted the situation

Thanks guys, that was exactly what I was trying to explain!

Walks in, mutters something about "he only buys factory ammo anyway" then mutters "codes like rules are for the guidance of wisemen" then saunters off looking for another thread.

Fuck ive braught literally thousand of handloaded rounds

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Originally Posted by CreepingDeath

Fuck ive braught literally thousand of handloaded rounds

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So have I before I started to reload my own, I've used a gun shop and people who advertise just such activity specificly in hunting magazines.
I used to find most people who advertise load development will continue to reload for you.
Mind you I haven't looked for these ads for awhile, are they still about.
I have also given away my reloads when I have moved a rifle on, loads that have been taylored for that specific rifle.
Is this illegal?

The" reloading room " in ch ch is registered or certified reloader , I'll try find out more when I pick up my loads this week .

Originally Posted by Munsey

The" reloading room " in ch ch is registered or certified reloader , I'll try find out more when I pick up my loads this week .

Ask to see proof Munsey. He says he is, yet I cant for the life of me find out where or who can licence you. I will happily get licenced if there is such a thing to cover the little I do.

Have they got your rifle and test firing it as well Munsey?

Originally Posted by R93

Ask to see proof Munsey. He says he is, yet I cant for the life of me find out where or who can licence you. I will happily get licenced if there is such a thing to cover the little I do.Have they got your rifle as well Munsey?

I'm trying to find his card and reloading data sheet he supplies , to see the wording of the" certified" reloader. He has had my rifle ,this is a repeat prescription so to speak . Don't quote me on this but have done some homework and am told you have to be registered ( labour department ) just for the purpose of holding explosives , not reloading . But the amount of powder you hold for normal reloading is well under the threshold .

What I am actually getting at is those who get rid of a rifle then go and sell the reloads that were designed for that rifle to other people whos rifle that the reloaded ammo they just bought was not developed in that is what I have an issue with.