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    Jack Russell attitude problem

    Hi Guys

    I generally only read threads on this forum but I am in desperate need of some advice.

    I have a 2 year old Jack Russell bitch (speyed). She is a shocker when it comes to other dogs, her whole life she has growled and snapped at other dogs. She grew up around 3-4 big dogs who tended to ignore her, and because we were in the country it was never a problem. However we are now in town for a few months and it has gotten pretty embarrassing. Last week she attacked a pitty/mastiff looking thing and today it was a poodle/spaniel. No hello or bum sniffing first, just straight into them.

    I have an idea how to fix her but am keen for advice.

    My idea has two parts. Part 1 I will muzzle her and take her to as many doggie places as possible, praise her for no reaction and growl her for negative reactions.

    Part 2 involves an e collar.

    All advice considered, please help.

    Thanks

    Allan

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    Citronella spray may work. Have seen it used to kerb prey drive .
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    Hi Holyman,

    While I don't have the answers to your main problem, can I suggest you stay away from part 2? Trying to fix an agressive dog with the collar is a recipe for disaster. When you shock a dog while it is attacking another dog often they associate the shock with the other dog, further enhancing your problem - a quick way to make any agressive dog downright nuts.

    Your first suggestion of improving your management is better - muzzle her so she doesn't get put down then work on your dog management and building your rapport with her so she sees you as the leader. @Ruff deals with agressive dogs - ask him

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    Lock it in a cage with a female pittbull for an hour or so

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    a dog lead is a good start....she cant go attacking another dog she cant get to.....
    sounds like youve been lucky so far she hasnt gotten herself eaten.
    keeping her away from others/safe is not a fix but will keep her alive and away from vets.
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    Cheers guys. Point taken about the e collar Pointer. That part of it is more to do with her turning her ears off when other dogs are around. She is quite obedient but once she sees a dog she hears nothing.
    As a rule she is on a lead when we are out but the house we are staying in has a grass reserve next door, she considers everything within about 200 meters to be hers.

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    Muzzle in public immediatly to start with and your dog should not be off leash. I dont personally believe that you can socialise tempermant out of dog, you only have obedience to control their tendancies.

    The e-collar is great for recall and keeping dog in at heel but not for shocking the dog into submission while it is fighting with another dog or in a state of high arousal trying to get to another dog.



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    sounds like a pita to me hope you can sort it sooner or later its not going to end well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gapped axe View Post
    just a normal JR
    JR size on the outside, mastiff on the inside?

    I'm no dog expert, but a lot of what you say appears in this FAQ https://www.therealjackrussell.com/a...aggression.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pointer View Post
    Hi Holyman,

    While I don't have the answers to your main problem, can I suggest you stay away from part 2? Trying to fix an agressive dog with the collar is a recipe for disaster. When you shock a dog while it is attacking another dog often they associate the shock with the other dog, further enhancing your problem - a quick way to make any agressive dog downright nuts.

    Your first suggestion of improving your management is better - muzzle her so she doesn't get put down then work on your dog management and building your rapport with her so she sees you as the leader. @Ruff deals with agressive dogs - ask him
    Pointer is correct, and I am not trying to pee people off, but most everything else in this thread is wrong.

    This is very hard to address on a forum... if i could see your interaction in the situation it would give me a better starting point.

    I am not in a position to write the book you need to read right now, but I can give you some slip notes to maybe start to work on it.
    Your dog's behavior is not a fault in the dog, but a fault in your relationship with your dog. No dogs fight for #2 or #3, they only fight for #1... so if your dog is fighting for it... you ain't it and you need to change, not the dog. If your dog is making a dick of itself, and your commands will not over-ride that... your training is at fault... not the dog.

    Now, my experience on forums has taught me many do not accept such blatant honesty well. So at this point we need to establish if what I am saying is making you think I am a wanker or not. If it is... we'll just stop now and save one of those dumb-arse internet argument things... but if you think I might be right i can add a lot more... Balls in your court.
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    Perfectly happy to accept my share of the blame and I know what you mean about dumb-arse internet things. Obviously I didn't get it right when she was a pup however at this stage I just want to move forward. What interests me is that she does not have a problem with cats or people. She gets into possums but I can call her off. However when it comes to dogs she just bristles up and is into them and I can't call her off. Generally we don't let her off the lead but now that we are in town there are dogs everywhere. At this stage we are focussing on letting her see dogs at a distance and trying to get back to basics.

    Keen to hear what you have to say, Ruff (and others). Cheers
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    Sweet as. I will post some ideas for you tonight. It is fixable, especially when you understand the cause. When I said above about them fighting for #1 doesn't mean it wants to be, but a perceived lack of leadership has lead the dog to believe it is #1 and is now defending the position. We'll sort it kindly and easily.

    My writing style is pretty polarising as I do not have any filters. I just say what I think is true, I'm poor at hints and innuendo. So don't be offended if what I say comes across as a bit raw, none of it will be intended to offend.
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    Not sure if you intended to offer advice via pm but I have a feeling it could apply to me too. My dog steps up as it were due to nerves and lack of confidence in me i suspect. So would be interested in the advice offered

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gapped axe View Post
    just a normal JR
    Ha I was going to say that but extend it to typical terrier, they really do believe they are 10 feet tall and bullet proof, we have a smooth fox terrier speyed bitch and a bitch she is !!!. The most loving sweet natured girl around people and absolutely loves the grand kids and most other animals, and for the most part great around the labs, unless there is some excitement happening chasing a rabbit etc, then she just dives in and grabs the nearest Labrador going past, while it is a youngster she grabs there are no problems however occasionally she will grab the top bitch then all hell breaks loose and being a terrier they DO NOT back down, they could be breathing their last breath and still want to scrap, So now she goes to work with Hubby where she spend all day chasing rabbits. I will never have another one as they just upset the whole household, having said that, the breeder whom I got her off also breeds Jacks and she said the difference in temperament between the the Jacks and the Smooths is quite different, Jacks are far more more easy going. Have you thought of enrolling her in an obedience course, where she will have to deal with other dogs in a controlled environment.

 

 

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