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    I will say again f@$k production and it's anal rules.

    I am sure if you gave a trigger mech to a decent gunsmith and he just removed the high and low points of a part in order to debur and fit, he wouldn't last long in the game.
    A competent and proper trigger job requires polishing.
    If the trigger is within the DA/SA break weights and is safe, who the fuck cares. No one will ever detail strip your gun at a shoot.

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    Before the nationals someone I know tried Sebo's shadow 2. By the sounds of it, it was not like my factory shadow 2 on the double action.

    It may be that he had only changed the springs which I have yet to do but I have a feeling that at the top, they are not using a gun without a bit of polishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaW View Post
    Before the nationals someone I know tried Sebo's shadow 2. By the sounds of it, it was not like my factory shadow 2 on the double action.

    It may be that he had only changed the springs which I have yet to do but I have a feeling that at the top, they are not using a gun without a bit of polishing.
    What do you think of the 2? Is it a definite upgrade on the SP-01 in regards to things like handling and trigger etc?


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    I didn't come from an sp-01 so I can't compare.

    I like the feel, it feels much like a tanfoglio stock 3 in the hand. While I liked how it felt, I wasn't shooting well getting used to it. I was putting in a miss per stage. Even so, it did feel good and I knew my issue was with the single action trigger being different than what I was used to (x-calibur).

    A bit of practise and I think I have nailed that part down and overall I am very happy with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R93 View Post
    I will say again f@$k production and it's anal rules.

    I am sure if you gave a trigger mech to a decent gunsmith and he just removed the high and low points of a part in order to debur and fit, he wouldn't last long in the game.
    A competent and proper trigger job requires polishing.
    If the trigger is within the DA/SA break weights and is safe, who the fuck cares. No one will ever detail strip your gun at a shoot.

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    So you don't care that people cheat by doing trigger jobs or other polishing specifically prohibited by the rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    So you don't care that people cheat by doing trigger jobs or other polishing specifically prohibited by the rules?
    If the trigger breaks within division weight limits then.....No.

    Production has some pretty dumb rules regarding guns Imo.

    Prohibiting cosmetic things that have absolutely no effect on he performance of said gun for example.

    After all if they were that determined to call a gun production you should by rights not be able to do anything to it.

    You should shoot it as it comes out of the box.
    No special hammers. No lightened Springs. No slim grips etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R93 View Post
    If the trigger breaks within division weight limits then.....No.

    Production has some pretty dumb rules regarding guns Imo.

    Prohibiting cosmetic things that have absolutely no effect on he performance of said gun for example.

    After all if they were that determined to call a gun production you should by rights not be able to do anything to it.

    You should shoot it as it comes out of the box.
    No special hammers. No lightened Springs. No slim grips etc etc.
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    Why don't you ask Wally to submit a remit to IPSC to change the rules then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    Why don't you ask Wally to submit a remit to IPSC to change the rules then?
    Apparently there is a move to change some strange rules and that is according to Wally.

    I shoot standard division ( relatively poorly) But I am happy as a pig in shit😆


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    Quote Originally Posted by R93 View Post
    What do you think of the 2? Is it a definite upgrade on the SP-01 in regards to things like handling and trigger etc?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
    I was squadded with Robin and had a play with his Shadow 2. I didn't find the trigger to be a lot different from my Shadow, but then again I'm not especially good at telling the difference. It was noticeably heavier to pick up, but I didn't notice the difference when shooting it. The feel was like the love child of my Shadow and my Tanfoglio Limited Custom, slightly higher grip etc. To me it probably isn't worth the up grade, but I've been shooting the same whorey SP01 for the last eight years whereas some of the other guys I know get a new pistol every eighteen months or do the SP01 -->SP01 Orange-->Tanfoglio Stock 2 shuffle -->(maybe Shadow2 then Shadow 2 Orange ) I'm not competitive enough to care that much.If I was starting out I'd probably pony up and spend the extra coin on the Shadow 2. The adjustable sights are useful especially if you compete abroad and use match ammunition that may shoot differently to yours. Because of the thicker/wider frame of the Shadow 2 (partially where it gets the extra weight) some Shadow parts aren't interchangeable. We tried putting a slide stop in and although it fitted it didn't function properly. My bladetech clam-shell holster didn't accept the Shadow 2, currently there aren't that many holster in NZ for them and as per normally cheaper to import. There are definite trend too, with Guns NZ now being the Tanfoglio agents and actually promoting them there has been a large increase in Tanfoglio shooters. Still limited support and spare parts for them though.

    I think it unlikely that there will be any changes to production division as it is pretty much seen as working. Though on a side note at 2017 meeting they are looking at a proposal to trial an new division as of 2018 Production Optics. Poor mans Open division for those of us with failing eye sight.
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    [QUOTE=R93;559883]But I am a pig in shit😆


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    Sums it up!

    Rules are rules, and pushing/interpreting them is the realm of champions.
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    Informative as always mate. Thanks.
    I will see if I can get a look at one at the RCO in a few weeks.

    Saving for a backup to my Chaos now anyway. I have been informed by Don that it will be pricey.😆

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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    So you don't care that people cheat by doing trigger jobs or other polishing specifically prohibited by the rules?
    Sssshhh systolic, say no more! If people realise that simply polishing up a trigger has the ability to turn any mere shooter into an instant grand master bad ass over night then it will bring our grading system into disrepute!

    Fuck practise! I got a file and I'm deburring shit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Towely View Post
    Sssshhh systolic, say no more! If people realise that simply polishing up a trigger has the ability to turn any mere shooter into an instant grand master bad ass over night then it will bring our grading system into disrepute!

    Fuck practise! I got a file and I'm deburring shit!
    Then you are a cheat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    Then you are a cheat.
    Hope your compiling a list of all the cheaters so you can tell on them.

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    I have never done anything to my triggers but I will change my spring on the shadow2.

    I like production as I like the cost of it. Production cheap. Still, it can be seen as a bit of a money race but on a smaller scale than open.

    I mean, the shadow can have a heavy trigger but you cant polish the bits to get it better and within legal but you can spend twice as much to get a production gun that has a full trigger job on it.

    There are cases where I think the intent of the rules have not kept up. If I want that legal trigger job, no problem. Pay $1k+ more

 

 

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