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Looked at an Ackley but performance isn't much better than the 17 hornet, which is much farther ahead of the HMR. The downside for me is having to capture the brass after each shot, drives me nuts...

The drop pretty quickly, I compared them when I bought the 17 hornet, I owned one for years for rabbit shooting in the 80s and 90s did a far bit of goat shooting with it as well. Don't think I'd use...

[QUOTE=kiwijames;470853]CZ do a nice 452 in 17HMR. Had one. Sold it. Noisy, expensive, wind blown PITA. 223 is better in very way for what i wanted
50 rounds for $30 bucks ain't an expensive...

Doesn't perform as well as the 17hmr IMHO better with a 222 or 223

If the WSM survives as a cartridge, I shoot the 17 HMR awesome round and looked at a 223, bit of an overkill for the small farms I shoot. Convenience, no noise, and accurate out to 180 metres I find,...