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I wonder if we all had safes like this https://trademe.co.nz/1147254693 if it would make any difference?

Please note I'm not saying that I think we should

Yea, a good safe is only going to stop a theft who is not prepared.regardless of category its certified for. But a unprepared theft should not be able to kick open a safe like some of the stuff...

And the laws have been spectacularly effective in this regard

Thats an interesting point and one I had never considered

Inclined to agree with every part of that.

I just get pissed off when people try and claim there drug of choice is not a drug-even if half tongue in cheek like macka's.

Sure it is, probably the one that does the most harm in NZ

And that's the crux of the issue right there, how do you draw the line?

Metal box?

What number of locking pins?

How thick?

Would be nice to have actual data on what sort of security most...

I have good security-the worst of it has passed endorsed standards and keep very good records with photos of the guns and the serial numbers (including all the places those numbers are marked) alarms...