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oh and mikee while we are at it look back to ORIGONAL POST and tell me the 35grm loads OP mentions are .28ga..........
he asks what might be better and is using a .12ga.

not a hobby horse at all...just saying it as I see it......if you have a good dig you will see Ive given heaps of guys help with what to use in .410 aswell,we used one for years so worked out what...

Hamish Stevens has short bit in latest fish n game mag about this very thing...he doing ok with the steel target loads and is a honest enough chap to say if they were crap.

you can get steel clay loads....some 7.5s would fit the bill.