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where were you when Jhon put up picture of them needing ID LOL..... Ive seen the wee pills after they had dispatched a big boar...rather impressive.

also projectile shape and length make a big difference.....a round nose will stabilize in much slower twist....you wont be having that end of the issues...and if keep speed down should be fine...heck...

they make 55grn varmit........and MOST speer btsp are soft enough they could be called varmit anyway......its the thinness of jacket and softness of both metals that matters..spinning from a 1;8 is...

1;8 should stabalise everything...varmit pills will be super explody and you will NEED to keep velocity down or they may not reach target.....

OK...pretty sure this was discussed the other week.....IF you tossing up because of closeness to houses and NOISE ,there is bugger all in it,if because of the risk of projectile whizzing off towards...