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tried 9 grains and was quite noisey, didnt check it over a chrony, but the group did tighten up. Will try between 8.5 and9 grains and see what this will do. Thanks

ill try that after i finish the hay today, thanks

8.5 grains trailboss gives me 970 fps and 2 inch groups at 50 metres with 151 grain cast lead hp. My 14 year old daughter is going to use this for hunting as it has very little recoil