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I'm not sure that you have established that he is wrong... you seem to have confirmed and repeated what he said...

aw cmon, we can't get first years to even say boo... u only get really cranky after the next few....

Nope nothing to do with being at law school for me... maybe its just that I am a cranky old fart who get tired of BS....

But hey, lets deflect from the issues again....

While not being associated with the NSA.... they have been the most effective of any groups at requiring accountability..

Whether you choose to support them in that approach is personal choice,...

Are you on here looking for dates? :D

Here is the thing Efb.... your wrong again.... so capacity obviously is an issue for you...

I know Richard, but am not him... I am not a member of the NSA and have not been associated with their...

And there we go.... not only inaccurate but part of the problem.. and defamatory

The only organisations that have actually done anything about this stuff, the only reason you can still import...

If he did he probably knows a lot more about the subject than you do. But pretty sure he didn't say anything about gun control, he said quite a bit about said a lot about democracy though...

Oh I don't know.... that could be scaremongering..... :D

The thing is in a democracy, the govt does not have a mandate to disarm to people because it is supposed to represent the people...

Really?

Having an opinion without knowing what you are talking about is such a strong position to be starting to be an authority on any thing....

A foot soldier in any organisation, is not...

Its not a legitimate argument to say that because I don't know about it, it can't exist....

well thats comprehensive..... a strategy and agenda, an admission that they already operate outside of the law, and active political interference...

no nothing to worry about.....

So the devil does exist?

The problem is that trying to get broad based democratic representation is probably not achievable. All of our efforts in the past have been along this line. Trying to keep everybody happy is self...

I really don't know... our interests attract independent people. I don't think we are by nature inclined to work in groups well.....

Culturally the stoic self contained kiwi who doesn't need your...

Yep... but we have to develop our skills before we can expect to be listened to..... we probably also have to learn to support and not withdraw it on every variation to our own beliefs.... the...

Yeah it would be nice if everyone was on the same page.... but hundreds of submissions that aren't coherent, from people that have poor technical understanding of the issues doesn't seem to be a...

What will you fight for it with Beavis?

We are splitting hairs, but words have differing meanings. To suggest that we shouldn't consider carefully the words we use seems dangerous to me. There is a story out there of a man being hanged...

I doubt that Macca... but I do love a good argument ....

I am however aware that the ole internet is not a particularly good conveyance of body language and tone, and apparently my style of prose...

Yeah well, you rely on comedians for your legal analysis...

I will maintain my rights under the law while they exist in the law. Pretty sure I have a more complete argument..

I am a bit...

Funny guy, but I would hardly define his analysis as credible... rights conveyed in law have always been intangible, and are almost never permanent.... water rights, land ownership, tenancies,...

The've beaten us if we don't at least remind ourselves and them occasionally..... we may as well call everything a privilege....lol

There has been more than one in this thread...:):)

That is true of any existing legal rights under the law in any area... what is your point? Are we supposed to feel grateful that the govt doesn't take away our "privileges"

Is everything just a...