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yeah 1500mm hydrastatic head which is alpine type specs... many normal weight 3 season tents have 10,000mm head cause we lie in water sometimes and rivers flow under us. The footprint increases the...

u can use the footprint and fly independently... if you are fussy u probably don't need the footprint... but i consider the xtra wear on the thin floor something to be avoided if possible..

No I still got the footprint... all of these ultralights are pretty light in the floor..

What prices are the hubbas

Yeah had a pretty serious look at Hubbas.. it is good kit.. but liked this better... I have had it pitched but no use yet...
Japanese alpine brand... make some nice kit..

I bought a new MontBell StellaRidge II recently... haven't had it out yet.. But its light, genuine alpine tent and with footprint weighs bout 1.7kg... 2 man small vestibule..

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