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Oh please if you are going to get excited you should learn to read first...... you might notice I said per annum... not at once......

2 its not perscriptive, its descriptive... so try not to get...

Pretty sure the most obvious one that I have already suggested is a reduction in imprisonment rates...

For every 100K pa prisoner, that could fund a case manager who could handle 20-50 cases pa,...

yeah borstals ran on similar lines, but had lousy re-offending rates

i could have phrased that more clearly... :)

The variation of 2-3% on a sample size of close to half might have more statistical integrity than the number of "wet bus tickets" that you know about in comparison to the total number of cases...

How many times with the wet bus ticket? What does "many instances where too much leniency is given" actually mean. Do you know the facts of the cases? Have you read the cases? Have you read...

I'll give a response to a "sensible" question... ya want to rephrase?

I used to put people into prison for a living Mr Scouser, I am well aware of re-offending, social issues around offending and intergenerational criminality, as well as having some legal training, and...

C'mon mr gadget....

The whole tenor of this thread is that the justice system is soft on crime. That reaction is solely based on various emotional stories and headlines but no actual data. It is...

Mr Gadget.. I am afraid that because I am opinionated and can argue, you might believe that I know what the answer is. :)

An increasing prison population could be a result of a few things.... ...

just read the post and process it... maybe the prisons are full because of tougher sentencing... that would seem a "sensible" conclusion?

if you don't understand that increasing prison...

If they took the word "sensible" out of their name, I would listen more. If the only solution that organisation has is for longer sentences, then frankly they are just feeding off other peoples...

Gagetman

Again, we apparently have the lowest rate of serious offending for 15 years and the fullest prisons. I would suggest that public perception is most likely inaccurate.

Deterence is a...

We aren't talking cross purposes here, and I don't pretend that the application of the law is rehabilitive very often. Nor do I pretend that any system is perfect, but in my considered opinion, this...

Firstly I am no expert in the area of mental health, nor do I have an in depth understanding of what is required for the individual to achieve reconciliation. But I have some concerns with the ideas...

... "commensurate" is the world you used... and apparently to the satisfaction of the person so affected... and you think that would be a perfect outcome?

What about the community of people around...

No issues Pete.... I know and have seen....

Found this quote which is worth reflection...... the balance thing again.......


Mercy in the absence of justice leads to weakness. Justice in the...

Pete...

You are correct, sentencing isn't justice. You could say that sentencing is the execution of justice and it is a component of the system of justice.

I don't minimise the way your lives...

perhaps you can tell me what justice is then...

I have a feeling that you don't really understand what anarchy is. How do you explain a 15 year low in serious crime and overfull prisons in terms of your wet bus ticket theory...?

It was a rhetorical question, have a stab at how inequitable that would become..... and how quickly we would descend into anarchy

I'd hate to be accused of having all the answers.. :)

What does the "full force of the law" mean? And what would its application actually do for the grieving and harmed, given that the situation is not repairable?

Do you think that slating some sort...

The prob with your logic in these type of cases... is that you cannot apply that intentionally, where the original event was unintentional. It would not be the same thing.

i think you miss the point rushy.. the poster was sounding off about liberal legal system etc.. the reality is not so if that is the case...