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Hi there
Currently using ADI 2208 in my 18inch 308 with 168gn pills. Getting around 2550-2600 fps. Get about 2780 when I use 125gn hornadys (wallaby load)
Is there another ADI powder that would be more efficient in a shorter barrel?
Currently use 2208 in both 308 and 223 loads so would be great to use one powder across the board but happy to split.
223 is a 19 inch T3x using 75gn Hornadys.
Appreciate any feedback.
Cheers
I was using ADI 2206H in my 308 pushing 125gn projectiles, it was bloody brilliant, would be worth trying 2206H with ya heavier load too
Cheers mate. Yeah not sure why I started with 2208, probably an early recommendation from someone somewhere. On the ADI website they suggest 2206 for the 308. Is the difference between 2206 and 2206h just burn rate?
Winchester 748 and magnum primers
Should get 125s into the low to mid 2900s
With mag primers and 2206h I sent 125TNTs @ 2984 out of a 16.5" bbl.
Shit thats screaming. You must have painted flames on your barrel to make it go that fast!
Nah mate no flames just the urge to crack 3000fps haha. I never shot a deer with it but think I made a few bunnies disappear better than a magician. If I still had that gun would have probably changed to a harder bullet like an accubond etc in that weight class and used it to shock animals up close. Having re read what you are doing I think you actually have good speed for the bullet size and there is not real point to changing unless you change pill. Mate runs an 18" 308 with 168eldms going 2600 and in the last 3 years has killed well over 100 deer from right up close to 570yds. That speed is perfect for the bullet too as you don't want to drive them fast so maybe you could look at that? I would happily run 2208 in a 223 as well
Thanks superdriver. Would love to know the Superformance recipe thats for sure. Yeah I think Ill run with the old saying "if it aint broke dont fix it". CHeers mate
They don't make 2206 anymore, only 2206h.
2206h works in both 308 and 223 so would be worth a try.
Cfe223 and 165/168 work real nice
I use 2206H in my 16" had the 168 vlds doing 2650 from memory, 125 ABs and 130 Barnes over 3k. Its not a secret by any means, lots doing it.
Mucked around with H335 but have found 2206H seems to yield a better case fill and be slightly more accurate (16" Tikka). That was with 125gr and 150gr projectiles though.
Also 2206H is super temp stable which is a bonus.
Cant go past BM 8208 in both those cartridges in short barrels.
Think of it in terms of percentages. How much, in percentage terms, am I going to gain if I change powder?
I guarantee you it will be less than 5%.
That isn’t worth it mate, the ballistics will hardly change and the animal will not report any tangible difference in how its hit.
AR2206H will give you sharper recoil, more bark and more muzzle flash. BM8208 is even worse.
AR2208 (Varget) is the best all round powder for .308 bar none.
My load gives me a genuine and witnessed many times over half MOA from an 18” barrel and a 165gr Speer. Assuming I point it in the right place, the animal is dead. What’s not to like?
The reloader is always tempted to fiddle unnecessarily. Don’t fiddle. Or go fiddle with something else.
;)
I’m kind of with Flyblown on this. I tried 8208, BM2, 2206h and 2208 in my 20” 308, and there really wasn’t much difference. Just go with what is accurate.
@Flyblown great answer mate cheers. Ive used the same load for 6 years now and it sure works well. I got an itch, now ill go scratch it some other way haha.
Appreciate your feedback everyone thankyou
Should be not too bad a powder for a shorter barrelled 303 then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
Dont they run on coal?
@Niceandfar ironically when they first came out pretty close lol
AR2208 is a fine powder with 165/180gr bullets but many reloader's have found (myself included) AR2206H to be a better choice with the lighter 125/150gr bullets in shorter barrelled .308 rifles. Higher velocities for similar pressure and less muzzle flash. Fired thousands of rounds with both powders; the downside of living two minuets drive from a very good range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
Greetings Niceandfar,
Agree with the bulk of the above BM8208, AR2206H and AR2208 will all do the job as long as you can fit enough AR2208 in the case.
Regarding AR2206 and AR2206H. AR2206 appeared about 1980 as an improved version of the earlier AR2201. AR2206 was the first of the commercial powders offered by Mulwex, now ADI, and was the first of the temperature stable powders called extreme powders by Hodgdon. ADI started making powders for Hodgdon in the early 1990's and AR2206 was slowed a bit to match H4895 and given the H suffix. AR2206 appears to have been discontinued some time after 2000. Similarly AR2213 was slowed to become H4831SC for Hodgdon in the mid 1990's and replaced AR2213 as AR2213SC in the Australian market about 2000. ADI also makes the old chunky H4831 only for Hodgdon but not for sale under the ADI brand.
Hope this is clear Grandpamac.
Comprehensive knowledge there @grandpamac thanks very much!
Using a drop tube helps powder to fill and settle in case better if you're filling to not compress loads.
So all you 308 guys. Have a lovely little 14" barrelled Zastava, suppressed obviously and shoot the 150 gn corelocks, Speer, Norma etc I have tins of 2206, 3031, 4895 and w748 from a range shooters estate, are any of these powders going to be better than the others? I'm guessing he was using the powders in long barrelled range rifles. Would be nice to get 2500 fps to work out a drop to 250 yard max
I used H335 with 125gn Abs for 3000fps in a 16" barrel. 2206h will do similar.
Yip, got a load for the same using 2206HQuote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
I second H335 with the lighter pills, also had good speed and accuracy with 2206hQuote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
+3 tried both but think 2206H gives slightly better results in my rifle. 2206H seems to have a better bulk density with 125-150gr pills in my opinion.
Is it 2206 or 2206h?Quote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
If it's 2206 you can't get that anymore so may not be worth working up a load if you don't have much of it.
I was getting 2473fps 16" 180 sst il have to double check powder it was one or the other hard to say because I have both but i have an old notebook somewhere il go dig out
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
2206h it was
Heres the results from my 18in 308 sako. Its an aftermarket barrel if that makes any difference.
These are over max so be careful etc etc. Shot over a labradar so speeds should be pretty accurate.
Attachment 136661
Should also add that's with Lapua brass so its probably not showing up pressure signs as early since those speeds are cranking for a short barrel!
That's a fast powder for such a heavy projectile in the 308. What was the load density like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
[QUOTE=Shearer;987471]That's a fast powder for such a heavy projectile in the 308.
Going back many moons now but compresed. loads were originally done by a joker in chch from hunting and fishing shot very well once i used them all up i actually went to a 165gn interlock though 42gn it was and thats where I stayed
