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I've been using Winchester 760 in my 270win but it is hard to get hold of atm. Should I just buy some 2209 or is there something else you recommend that is in stock? I don't use the 270 as much now that I have a 223 but still have a few 140g Interloks I want to get loaded up.
What's your thoughts?
2209 for up to 130gr.
2217 for 140-150gr.
2213sc does OK with either.
I load a buddy's 20 inch tikka 270win,
60.0 grains of H4831sc
130grain Nosler BT
3050fps
Kills things very well out beyond 400m
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Hodgdon Superperformance works well in the .270 especially with 145 eldx
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The real secret sauce for a 270 is reloder 23. If you can find any..
2208 may not be the best performing powder, but it can be used in a hell of a lot of cartridges.
4064 as well.
How many Interlocks are you loading up? I just bought a kg of 2209, more than I need right now, if you are coming up to Chch I could just sell you enough for what you want at pro-rata rate... if its less than 100 projectiles anyway...
Ar 2213....
2213sc for any but work particularly well with 140gr and up.
2217 works well with 140 - 150gr also.
Quite a few votes for 2213. How well would this work with 110g hp varmint? They are very effective on wallabies at 300m.
2209 would be better.
In terms of burn rates, 2209 is fastest, then 2213, then 2217 slowest.
Look at the data posted by Oldbloke. You can see how the slower powders give better speeds with heavier bullets and faster powders give better speeds with lighter bullets.
2213 kinda sucks a bit IMO, because it doesn't really give much more speed than 2209 (one exception there being the 150gr Hornady SP), despite using ~10% more powder.
Dropping to 110gr, you might find that 2208 (even faster than 2209) would be right up there with 2209 as well. Maybe even a little better. There's less than 100fps difference between the two at 135gr in that screenshot...
Look at the current ADI data on their website. It tells you which of the powders are going to be best suited to what you're doing.
Just my experience, but ive never achieved the velocities others claim with the slower powders. 2209 on the other hand specifically around 54gr has always worked well for me in different rifles and different projectiles of the 130gr class.
Thanks Pommy, I'll have a look at the ADI site and see what will suit most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pommy
Maybe I ditch the 140 Interloks and buy some 110g copper bullets. I want something to use on tahr and red stags though.
Big boiler*room imn the 270.*Need 2213sc.
Buy whatever you can get that will work .I will swap you 760 of same weight. The faster powders MIGHT crank the 110s along faster...but you and your rifle don't like higher pressure loads anyway,so it's probably a moot point.
2213 always worked for me.........and then I tried Superformance. As fast as 2213, bloody accurate with both 130's and 140's, and oh so easy to put through a powder thrower. And the Interlocks hit like the hammer of Thor.
Often need more than max book loads with 2213 to match 2209 speeds with 130s.
Where 2213 can shine vs 2209 is with precision/ tighter groups in sme rifles.
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Here's ADI's 110gr data Mickey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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Same kinda max chamber pressures regardless of powder.
AR2208 is faster, so the max charge is significantly smaller to keep it under pmax - it will be sloshing around in there quite a bit.
AR2209 gives a little more speed with a near full case - looks about the sweet spot.
AR2213 doesn't give quite as much speed - because it's slower than ideal for that light of a bullet and at 62gr, you run out capacity to crunch any more in there.
There is no one powder that is just the best for a cartridge. What's optimal changes depending on the bullet.
I have found nothing that matches superformance especially with heavier bullets like the 145 ELDX. Both speed and accuracy are good with that powder in my rifle.
I've found that in a few .270 and many other calibers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman
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Not sure what the Vitivori supply is like but N560 worked well in my 270win with 140gn ABs and a variety of other 140gn+ projectiles.
one of the potential benefits of 2213 is that it always seems to be available. other powders not so much rl26 being a prime example. even 2217 is had to get sometimes. maybe it's the unloved powder in the adi range. which is great if you actually use it.
Stuff the gold plated copper pills! those 140 interlocks in .270 kill shit dead! (including really big shit)Quote:
Originally Posted by RUMPY
going past Micky's tomorrow, can drop off some 2213 on the way through if you want.
Your a fine fella. I be happy to put jug on.
This is a big part of what I decide on using. Don't want to work up a load and then not have powder available when I want to reload another batch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackfern
Staball 6.5 works
Greetings,
As the .270 will have limited use AR2208 could be an option as it can be used in both your .270 and .223. People forget that IMR4064 was the go to powder for the .270 from 1925 to 1940 when IMR4350 appeared. AR2208 is close to IMR4064 in speed. Also if we mean AR2213SC we should not shorten it to AR2213. AR2213 was an earlier, faster and now obsolete powder. The same goes for AR2206 and AR2206H.
Regards Grandpamac.
It was only longer in the kernal.the SC stands for shorter cut.....same powder,cut shorter so it meters better through powder throwers and easier to fit into cases. The old pretty much std load of 60 grns under a 130grn projectiles gets crunchy with the long stuff lots of tapping side of case helps it wiggle its way in.
Thanks @Micky Duck. I was just going to ask @257weatherby if his was sc or not.
I always assume potential shooting out to 400 yds when I take my 270W hunting. I developed handloads to give me dependable drop and accuracy from 300 to 400 yds. Mostly I'm shooting 130 gn Hornady bullets ( mostly Interbond but some SST ). AR2213sc gave me both the velocities and consistency to allow confident shooting on game ( mostly goats and some deer ) at such distances.
Have also found RL17 very good but as you say current unavailability doesn't help you. At least Ar2213sc has remained in quite good supply.
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Way back, when AR2213 was changed to AR2213sc, I did some comparative testing of my own 243W and 270W loads using both powder variants and exactly the same charges. Found absoloutely no difference. But the advatage with the sc, as noted, was far easier metering through my powder thrower. To this day though I still individually check weigh every single charge. But I do like the sc. Good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
I know it's slow but didn't someone here yonksnago say H1000 worked OK as well?
IIRC I tried some quite a while ago, probably with 130 gn bullets. Pretty sure compared to AR2213sc there was a lot of velocity loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
Maybe a better bet with heavier bullets like 140 and 150 gn ?
Most likelyQuote:
Originally Posted by 30.06king
H1000=ADI2217
Norma MRP and Nosler 150 LRAB absolutely awesome
came across this tonight and thought of this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Kw4GVuihU
