30Apache (30-223 wildcat)

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10-07-2012, 09:17 PM
kimjon

30Apache (30-223 wildcat)

Hi there

Anyone loading for one of these?

The 30Apache is a bog standard .223 round which is then necked up to accept a .308 calibre projectile (yes sexy I know;)), it's along the same lines as the 30wisper...but less stuffing around with the brass and considering that .223 is my main calibre of choice, brass is something I have in bucketfuls literally.

So far I've picked up a Trueflite barrel, a donar Weatherby rifle in .223 for the action, a blank Boyds laminated stock which I'll have to inlet and finish myself, plus some reloading dies for it. I hope to have the barrel fitted to the action and test firing by the weekend???

I'm mainly interested in using sub-sonic loads, but I'll also play with some super-sonic loads too. I've done the usual quick google on it and there's not a lot of info out there. In supersonic it appears to have about 100fps gain over the 7.62x39 and in sub-sonic it's the same as a 30Whisper...so all very promising stuff and IMHO it certainly ''punches above its weight'' so to say.

Anyway, please let me know if you have any info on this calibre, or a starting point to put some trial loads together?

Many thanks

kj
11-07-2012, 12:00 AM
kimjon

FYI: Pics of the formed brass

http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_2783.jpg
Simply pressed in special dies to expand the neck to .308

http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_2436.jpg
Side by side with a .223 and the 30/223 (or ''30Apache'' as its known)

I've found out a little more on it, but would still appreciate any info if someone has gone down this road before?

kj
11-07-2012, 12:40 AM
Spanners

Did you pick the barrel etc up from Trademe last week?
If so you just outbid me, I was away from puter for a bit :)

As a subsonic its a bit of a 'meh' caliber - just a whisper with more spare room... but supersonic it should go good.
Should be able to push a 168gr 2200 at a guess as the whisper will get ~2000

If you want Whisper brass, send me some cases and I'll knock them out for you- got a Dillon setup to do it
11-07-2012, 07:56 AM
kimjon

Ummm yes, sorry about that spanners I did bid for the barrel on trademe.

Cheers for the whisper brass offer, much appreciated. I've had a 30whisper in Ar format in the past and it gave me a bit of a head ache, so this time I thought a dirty old bolt action may be the go? It's more a project (impulse buy) for something to do with little purpose... But who knows it could become a pet rifle which I take a real shine too????

All the best

Kj
14-07-2012, 06:06 PM
Barefoot

So what is the advantage (or not) of these .223 based wildcats over something more common place like the 7.62x39?
14-07-2012, 06:20 PM
Spanners

Cheap brass, 30 cal pills, bit more grunt
31-01-2013, 01:29 PM
Toby

How is this going?
31-01-2013, 10:53 PM
Druid

Nosler are making a 30cal 125 gr Accubond , they introduced it at the shot show, it should be good for deer in this caliber (7.62x 45) or the Whisper
31-01-2013, 11:21 PM
CreepingDeath

Re: 30Apache (30-223 wildcat)

Does the russian not take 30cal pills

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31-01-2013, 11:42 PM
gimp

.311

Is this going to fit in a .223 length mag because that's super limiting
01-02-2013, 06:37 AM
Kiwi Greg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Druid

Nosler are making a 30cal 125 gr Accubond , they introduced it at the shot show, it should be good for deer in this caliber (7.62x 45) or the Whisper

I would have thought, being an Accubond it would be pretty tough & would be more suited to higher velocity impacts than the wee cases can muster ?
01-02-2013, 07:08 AM
LJP

Hornady have just released a 30 cal 125gr SST for the blackout boys. Just perfect for this project!
01-02-2013, 07:50 AM
Kiwi Greg

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJP

Hornady have just released a 30 cal 125gr SST for the blackout boys. Just perfect for this project!

+1 :)

That & the 125 BT would be worth a try.

The 125 BT in my 308 at 3050-3100 fps were devastating on Fallow & goats, slow them down & they should behave a bit better...

Still waiting patiently for my small 30 ;)
01-02-2013, 09:59 AM
Druid

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreepingDeath

Does the russian not take 30cal pills

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Usually .311 but Ruger barrels for the M43 round are .308 which is why many US made dies have both a .311 and a .308 neck expander ball , Nosler reccomend their new pill for the Whisper etc so it should work . Norma used to make a 130gr 308 round (and projectiles) ,which was dynamite on Sika and Fallow and worked very well on Reds