Criteria is:
Suitable for reds/waps
Good reliable expansion to 300 yards
Launched from 308
Can be sourced
Contenders are barnes 130 ttsx
swift scirocco 150
Sst 150
Suggestions or opinion welcome
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Criteria is:
Suitable for reds/waps
Good reliable expansion to 300 yards
Launched from 308
Can be sourced
Contenders are barnes 130 ttsx
swift scirocco 150
Sst 150
Suggestions or opinion welcome
I'd go the barnes 130 ttsx. Never used them personally, but have used 110 ttsx in a 7 08 and been impressed.
Thanks mate, personally I dont like the idea of a solid projectile, eg barnes. Doesnt make sense to me but people rave about them so thought worth a try.
As for slippery projectiles, the ones I mention aboce certainly dont fall under that criteria.
Ive always thought a 150 grain was abput the right weight for 308, any heavier and you dont get the expansion and energy transfered to animal as launch speed is low. Especially with the bonded projectiles.
Kerp advice coming
I like sierra gamekings in 150 gr, a simple cup n core that for me has always delivered. Have a bunch of the 165 boat tails as well bur never got round to using any yet. Both are readily available.
I would stay away from sst for close ranges.
130 ttsx will penetrate the full length of a wap, they do need to be loaded up to transfer shock tho, 3150-3200fps is achievable from 22inch. 2800-2900 would make for delayed kills at 300y .
I haven't tried sirocco as i thought 308 wouldn't push them fast enough to work at their best but as i say i haven't tried them.
good old interlock 150-165 is hard to go past too.
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So to upset the apple cart. I use 210 ballistic tips, 220 grain round nose in a 308 at with lower powder rates .You need to do a lot of home work before you even load a case. Some may say this is crazy .but I know the limits .I deal with Hornady and have contact with the engineering department in RCBS
Plus 1 for the Barnes
I run just TSX, great thing is they come out the other side and leave holes, feel very confident with reds and have had a few "knock them over right there" at ranges out to 150m, mostly a lot closer though.
On Waps I would be thinking a bit more about placement of the shot, I did however specifically choose them when I went into Fiordland, didn't get to try them out on a Wap, just a scrubby 10 point red.
I have been very happy with them,they are incredibly accurate in my rifle and that helps a lot.
My 2 cents
Cheers
Dino
I have used 150gr Sierra Pro hunters with very good results. Hits hard, shoots accurate (in a range of different .308's) and are cheap to buy. Most kills have been up close in the bush but a few have been out to as far as 250yds.
They don't have the best BC but as Mauser308 said under 300yds, high BC pills are not necessary.
SST's: I have had some experience with. No good in the bush (insert explode on impact), but after 100-150yds they work well.
Bonded bullets like Sirroco's & Accubonds work better at speed (3000fps + muzzle velocity), so maybe not ideal in a .308win.
Cannot pass comment on monolithic bullets.
Other options for sub 300yd hunting bullets:
Sierra Gameking
Hornady Interlock
Nosler Partition
I use Barnes. Either TTX or ttsx in 130 weight. Interlock and Interbond have been equally as effective and it matters not re BC at ranges mentioned.
I'd just possibly pick on a projectile that shoots accurate enough and use that.
Nothing you don't already know....
I know.
Used sst 150s for years in mine, everything up close to 400yds+ they worked every single time. They make a mess but its still a dead deer. Am now using 168 Nosler bts and Berger 190s out of them now. Even used 208 amaxs, they were cool, even at 40yds. Id say if your twist rate allows try something over 160, which ever way you go ye old 308 will perform cause they're just that fukin awesome haha.
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it is the best chambering ever invented :thumbup:Quote:
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Yes, yes it is.Quote:
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168 Amax works irrespective of range, 178 Amax slightly better, if 150 is the criteria: 150 Sierra Prohunter is the best: 2900fps achievable with W748 or H335, flat base that holds together whatever the point of aim or range, front that sheds and spreads for a decent wound channel and secondary mechanical wounding. Sierra Gamekings tend to destruct quickly at close range and can lack penetration on the wrong angles.
The above cup and core bullets are cheap and always kill well without needing truckloads of speed. The best TTSX for 308 is the 110, in my 20" barrel it gets 3300fps and kills fast inside 250, the TTSX needs speed.
The modern NoslerBT won't let you down. In fact at your ranges none of the common garden bullets will let you down.
I don't get the bad wrap on the SST either? To comment, you must have been looking at a dead deer. So what if you get some separation at close range? The bits are still hurtling around inside causing all sorts of mahem.
My experience with the 150sst is shot around 30 reds with it, front on shots into the point of shoulder or brisket would drop them on the spot 200plus yards,never had one make it past the diaphragm, broadside + 200 drop on spot also but rarely find anything other than fragments I bloody loved them until I took them bush,two stags in as many weeks took multiple shots to the shoulder and completely failed to enter the engine room,yep they dropped but got straight back up and took another to the shoulder as I ran in and one to the neck to actually put it down.
Autopsy showed NO significant entry hole into the chest cavity NO holes in any vital organs but the lungs were "peppered" with very small fragments of copper on the outside of lungs with other than bruising no damage at all.
Carbon copy results with 168 amax,178 I am now using shows promise as an all practicl ranges projectile, at least I have found one that didn't exit but to early to say I haven't shot enough with it a varying ranges.
You cannot apply experience with a projectile in a smaller bore size to 30 cal, for the weights commonly used here they do not have the sectional density of 7 6.5 6mm and simply do not behave the same, typically they are much more frangible even at 308velocitys
What would be a substitute for a 130 ttsx? Cost is up there aye.
What would a 125 accubond be like?
its still only around 2 bucks a deer :)
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In my 7mm I use a 140gr Barnes TSX for up to 100 and for longer shots Amax 162 grainers
Combo for me is really useful as the 140's are bang on at 100 in the x ring and the Amax's 2 inches high at 100 and bang on at 220-250 where they'd do the most damage anyway. So for me its relatively simple then to stick my dope sheet on my stock for longer shots but my first round in the gun magazine is a TSX, reason being it gives me a go to round for the shit just popped up in front of me animal - whilst if its further away I can either use the TSX or decide to set up and shoot for a shot further away.
May sound a bit weird as a mix but it works for me - especially knowing the POI differentials for distance of the two rounds.
Pretty sure thats how VC rolls too. Good idea I reckonQuote:
Originally Posted by Carpe Diem
It's only not worked for me once which was on a bloody goat would you believe. Shot was at 135 so used the Barnes, put the rifle on a rock with the harris and set up.... Boom! Bloody goat ran off as though nothing had happened about 20 m into a little rocky re entrant. Mate next to me Craig pissed himself laughing - how the hell did you miss that. I shrugged - I don't know mate I reckon I was dead on...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Then we were ribbing each other about it and head a commotion from further up the valley from a few other goats so started walking up that way. We got about 20m up the road and I could make out the body of the aforementioned goat on a rock about 30 m from where I'd shot it.
Recovering it the round had slightly quartered due to the angle hit and demolished the heart and gone out the other shoulder fully shattering it and it was handing by a thread. Shows you that the bloody adrenaline from a heart shot still makes em run pretty good even on 3 legs, If not far!
Nah I bloody love the TSX for the close stuff awesome.
Evidence below! Entry side showing the other was pretty brutal!!
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used to work well with my 308 but with 168 zerod 100 130ttsx were two inches high, point and shoot to 300 and dial the amax for longer.
Unfortunately for me my 30-284 puts them to vastly different POI
Will probably try 150gmx at some stage as I think it will push them fast enough to work well and hopefully have similar POI.
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How fast does the 30-284 spit the 168's?Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Haven't tryd the 168 in it ,went to 178 for a bit more sectional density. it spits them out at just shy of 3000fps.
25 inch barrel.
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VC are you still liking that 2-12 VX6 ????
Yes, if i got another i might go 3-18 but 2-12 is good.
I like the boon and crocket:D
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Haven't used the SST's on deer yet. The Hornady 150gr Interlocks work well and I know a couple of blokes that swear by the Lapua 150gr Mega for Japs and Reds. I'm going to give the Nosler 150gr Accubonds a try on the big pine forest Reds.
Speer 165 gn SPBT or Hotcor, or Nosler Partitions 150 gn or 165 gn would be my choice for bush and out to 300yd.
With a heart shot, because the heart immediately stops pumping and there is no organ damage for the in-situ blood thoughout the body to drain into, the oxygenated blood stays in the animal and keeps it going for that 25 metre dash. Thats why heart shot deer rush off. They keel over once their blood oxygen is depleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpe Diem
Sort of.
I’ve got a 2-12 VX6 on my .243, and it has had plenty of work. Very impressed except for the zero shifting through rubbing in the bush. I wish the CDS could lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I'll throw in a plus one for the SST have had really good results from 80m out to just under 400. 80m was an entertaining bounding neckshot on a fallow hind (lucky shot too) and it was all bang - belly flop. Under 400m still bang flop if hit right, big fan of the SST.
good to hearQuote:
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just orderd myself a 2-12
