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14-02-2018, 09:14 PM
R93

45/70

My brother who lives in BC is buying a guide gun for me to use over there for bear protection.

A good mate who has guided over there for the last 5 years has and recommended the Marlin 1895 SBL in 45/70.

He brought his home after the last season over there and I had a wee look at it on the weekend. Nice gun.

I haven't asked him yet but wanting to take some loads over for it and was hoping to use his gear to roll them before I go. Knowing him he would just do it for me
but I don't want to bludge off him so will get some components.

Any of you bigbore shooters that use one recommend a load using a 300 gr JHP.
18.5" so ideal for a saddle gun.

What good brass and powder is available in NZ?

Hopefully will never fire it in anger but if I have too, I want it to hit hard[emoji16]

I intend to leave it over there as I will be going over a fair bit.

Cheers.

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14-02-2018, 09:16 PM
Tommy

Just cuddle them bro

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=237_1518566401
14-02-2018, 09:22 PM
R93

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Originally Posted by Tommy

Just cuddle them bro

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=237_1518566401

Fuck that! Don't get me wrong I have no desire to ever hunt a bear but I will happily plug one if it is looking at me like I am lunch.

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14-02-2018, 09:27 PM
gimp

I want one
14-02-2018, 09:28 PM
R93

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Originally Posted by gimp

I want one

You can buy mine when I bring it home[emoji106]

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14-02-2018, 09:36 PM
MSL

Mate had one, stainless, laminate, ghost ring sight. Pretty accurate for an open sighted lever
14-02-2018, 09:39 PM
R93

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Originally Posted by MSL

Mate had one, stainless, laminate, ghost ring sight. Pretty accurate for an open sighted lever

One I am getting is the same. Has a long pic rail as well. I might get rid of that as I will just use the ghost ring sights.

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14-02-2018, 09:42 PM
MSL

Yeah same rifle. He was shooting 325’s of some description
14-02-2018, 09:59 PM
Beaker

Just buy one here, and sort a load?
Gorse out of pocket...... and when your over there, I'll look after it - with 100 of your home loads :) I'll return your brass......

As a aside, a guy in Timaru has one, and I shot a few from it. Quite impressive - both on the shoulder and the hole it leaves. (Never shot a animal with it - but big lead and quite high speed, must equal much damage)
14-02-2018, 10:00 PM
mawzer308

56grs Ar2207 gets 2110fps out of my guide gun, an accurate hard hitting load mate.

Ar2207 (h4198) is pretty much the go to powder, a 300gr partition would be hard to beat, good mix of velocity and sectional density.

Don't wast youe time with the 325gr ftx, the break up really easy even on deer.
14-02-2018, 10:03 PM
R93

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Originally Posted by mawzer308

56grs Ar2207 gets 2110fps out of my guide gun, an accurate hard hitting load mate.

300 grn projectile?

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14-02-2018, 10:03 PM
mawzer308

Yeah mate, see edited post above.
14-02-2018, 10:07 PM
R93

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Originally Posted by Beaker

Just buy one here, and sort a load?
Gorse out of pocket...... and when your over there, I'll look after it - with 100 of your home loads :) I'll return your brass......

As a aside, a guy in Timaru has one, and I shot a few from it. Quite impressive - both on the shoulder and the hole it leaves. (Never shot a animal with it - but big lead and quite high speed, must equal much damage)

Will only cost me $1200 Oz dollars there.

Did the one you fire only have a primer in it? I only ask because last time you were here you were still pretty straight for a bent bugger from the waist up[emoji16]

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14-02-2018, 10:17 PM
Beaker

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Originally Posted by R93

Will only cost me $1200 Oz dollars there.

Did the one you fired only have a primer in it? I only ask because last time you were here you were still pretty straight for a bent bugger from the waist up[emoji16]

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I must admit, the first shot did kind of make a mark.... I'm not a 170kg recoil rest....
And the guy that handed it to me hand a smile right through the process, and a laugh at the end.

However, if tucked in tight, it's a seriously hard hitting round and easy to shot for both tall lanckyy folk and also vertical challenged. With some serious damage to the recipient.
Big lead and slow repetition this is a great round.

Oh and BP loading is a possibility

For fucks sake, just buy a NZ one. :)
14-02-2018, 10:23 PM
MSL

405 woodleigh
14-02-2018, 10:41 PM
R93

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Originally Posted by Beaker

I must admit, the first shot did kind of make a mark.... I'm not a 170kg recoil rest....
And the guy that handed it to me hand a smile right through the process, and a laugh at the end.

However, if tucked in tight, it's a seriously hard hitting round and easy to shot for both tall lanckyy folk and also vertical challenged. With some serious damage to the recipient.
Big lead and slow repetition this is a great round.

Oh and BP loading is a possibility

For fucks sake, just buy a NZ one. :)

Can't be assed with the hassle of taking one over.
Might even give it to my brother when I am finished with it. Not a hassle getting it out of Canada but the normal import bullshit for here. I would have no use for one here anyway.
I would rather carry a decent handgun but that is a huge hassle over there. It can be done but I have not got the time to do all that is required to carry one so big rifle it is.
Beside why pay higher NZ prices when I don't have too? More money for some Canadian whiskey[emoji106]

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15-02-2018, 12:32 AM
crunch

300gr might be a bit light for bear protection, they use 400gr and up for bear protection.

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15-02-2018, 03:50 AM
norsk

I have carried one of those in AK for Bear Protection,they are handy and will do the job well.I take it it is for protection against Brown Bears?

Heavy as F'ck Hard cast was what most people used,me included.Some people even made up Solid Bronze projectiles on lathes and sold them.

You are only going to get one shot off in most situations anyway so it has to count.What will stop a charge is the smashing of its shoulder or central nervous system.

A Pistol or Revolver is handy in that its always on you,but harder to use under stress.

Carbine is handy too but impossible to have on you at all times.

Rifle is what you carry when looking for Bears,the other two are what you happen to have when the Bear is looking for you.

I think I have a 500grn 45/70 mold over here.Want some hard as F'ck bullets sent over?

If I was going to buy a gun for Bear protection again,I would get a U/O shotgun cut it back to 18" and load two slugs in it.Most encounters happen when the Bear and man are taken by supprise and snapping off a tang safety is alot quicker than thumbing back a hammer after you have jambed your hand through the leaver .

Speaking from experiance your Adrenalin level will spike to unforseen hights and you might have a "Code Brown" if one of the Buggers rockets out of the Willows at you.
15-02-2018, 03:46 PM
southernman

Load you 45-70 with a heavy load, you likely get only one shot,

Now for real bear defense, go buy a quality can of bear spray, including holster, it is far more effective, it is shitloads lighter, and it wont be leaning, some place else, or slung over you back, when you need it.
And if you really are concerned about bears, rather that just loading sum brass boomers, Take a bear awareness course,
There must be a thousand bear, questions, what gun, what load, slugs or buckshot etc, on Alberta Outdoors if you want to go look.
I have been charged twice, and it will happen in the time, it took you to read that,
15-02-2018, 03:53 PM
Dermastor

If it's the Sierra 300gr it's way too soft for that application. If it was me I would buy a couple of boxes of ammo over there. You can get all sorts of stuff that is more suitable. I wouldn't muck around loading for bear with what is available here. There is the school of thought that says if a bear attacks from cover you will never bring a handgun let alone a rifle up in time.
15-02-2018, 04:28 PM
Marty Henry

My brother in law is a geologist in Alberta. Previously he was up round yellowknife when he had his first bear encounter. He had done a course through the company and was "armed" with bear spray. It was taking the rubbish out to the fenced dumpster behind the apartment block!. It was recommended going in pairs which he didnt do. Bear spray works he says. Clean undies though when he got back inside.
15-02-2018, 04:50 PM
R93

FFS! [emoji16] I asked for good components for a 45/70 that were available in NZ.

Didn't expect a lecture from David Attenborough and the rest of the Animal Planet Team.[emoji16]

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15-02-2018, 04:54 PM
BRADS

R93 I've had 2 good mates do a few seasons of that job all there gear was provided including guns if that helps you..
You'll get good at cutting firewood and cooking[emoji16]
Edit: one of them would be happy to chat with ya if ya needed to no anything

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15-02-2018, 04:55 PM
gundoc

If it was me I would buy the Marlin in Canada and happily shoot 405 grain factory loads. No mucking about with handloads for something you will probably only ever shoot at targets for familiarization. If you do have to defend yourself against a bear it will be at fairly short range and the 405 grain bullet will do a far better job of stopping it than any 300 grain bullet. JHP's will only annoy a big bear!
15-02-2018, 05:14 PM
R93

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Originally Posted by BRADS

R93 I've had 2 good mates do a few seasons of that job all there gear was provided including guns if that helps you..
You'll get good at cutting firewood and cooking[emoji16]
Edit: one of them would be happy to chat with ya if ya needed to no anything

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Cheers. One of my best mates has guided on the lease next to where I am going for the last 5 years. He is a guide here as well.

I know about the firewood but we have a cook[emoji16] It is the horse stuff that has me worried. Never met a horse that liked me.

I have to bring all my own gear including rifle. My mate had to as well. He has some Canadian guides he worked with here helping him this season getting their Kiwi experience.

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15-02-2018, 05:24 PM
R93

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Originally Posted by gundoc

If it was me I would buy the Marlin in Canada and happily shoot 405 grain factory loads. No mucking about with handloads for something you will probably only ever shoot at targets for familiarization. If you do have to defend yourself against a bear it will be at fairly short range and the 405 grain bullet will do a far better job of stopping it than any 300 grain bullet. JHP's will only annoy a big bear!

I am buying the rifle there. I have also been given the advice to just use factory ammo.

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