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Hey guys I have a Tikka .260 18" suppressed DPT can.
I'm looking at making some loads for it, just curious on the 140 vs 147g ELDM - is the 147 a replacement for the 140 and if not what is the purpose of it - seems a very minimal difference to 140?
Also has anybody had any expansion issues with ELDM sub 150 - 200yards? I know the ELDX is another option but isn't the bc much lower? but may expand better up close?
Cheers
Under 500 yds BC wont be an issueQuote:
Originally Posted by 308mate
ELD X's seem to be a really effecvtive killer
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147gr ELD-M, Red hind, placed behind shoulder @ 200m. Recovered just under the offside skin. Left the muzzle @ 2700fps.
@Pommy nice - what barrel length and case was that 147 coming out of to get 2700fps ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pommy
28" 6.5x47L... Ok so maybe it was 198m.
Possibly a bigger consideration.....is which of the 3 projectiles is actually reliably available and in useful quantities? That might make the decision easier.
140 and 147 are both current items. The 147 Eld-M and 143 Eld-X are near-as-dammit identical external shape (very different as far as loads go,
DO NOT try to interchange!).
As to which one you would pick is getting into hair-splitting territory.
147 Eld-M - highest BC, will protrude into case significantly at mag length. Expands and penetrates well with good placement.
140 Eld-M - shorter length takes up less space in the case if length is an issue with the longer 147. Having said this it seems (anecdotally) that driving these(Eld-Ms) too fast can be problematic for close-up shots.
143 Eld-X - have the theoretical benefit of having a tapered jacket to arrest expansion and aid penetration. I can't comment on penetration on large animals as I have a sample set of 1 - which was perfect in terms of damage done and distance travelled through the dead deer. I can say for sure that initial expansion/explodiness is very violent even on wallaby sized critters.
Again, anecdotally it seems that the Eld-M isn't quite as splatty initially but expands beautifully.
Confused? ��
I've recently taken a hind at 670yds with the 143rg eldx with my 6.5x284
2965fps
I'd be interested in trying the 147gr but the performance of the 143gr was brilliant, 2in entry hole through the shoulder and ribcage. Didn't look for an exit or the pill as it was dark.
I use the eld-m through my 7-08 and long-range they're also awesome, although a different weight than you're looking at.
Try them all ;)
I only use the 143gr ELD-X in 6.5mm. I haven’t used the ELD-M in 6.5mm, only 6mm. I’ve been alongside hunters using 6.5mm ELD-M a fair bit and I definitely would not say that the ELDX is more “splatty”. The 147gr ELD-M is also an empathetic killer.
For competition shooting the 147 bucks the wind better 800m and further. I get almost identical performance out of 140 ELD-M and 143 ELD-X, so I now just shoot the 143’s for both hunting and competition shooting. I shoot both 140 ELD-M and 143 ELD-X with exactly the same loads.Quote:
Originally Posted by 308mate
I gave up on the 147’s - my rifle hates them. But the people that can make then work seem to be quite happy with it.
Availability is similar for all three - you have to get your order(s) in early. There is always less coming in than what we hope for. Depending on how much you shoot, keep a box or two extra.
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Just a question, how do these measure up against the old 140 amax?
These are 143 gr ELD X bullets recovered from deer, first is out of my 6.5 x55 taken out of my big Sambar stag, retained weight 89 grs , range 40 yards speed about 2700 fps. Second is out of a big red stag ( over 100 kg gutted) at 528 yards out of brother-in laws 260 Rem. Last is out of a Rusa Stag ( 80 kg) at about 120 yards , 260 Rem at about 2770 fps.
At the modest speeds of the 260 , 6.5 Swede etc the 143 gr ELD X appears to perform very well and seems to hold together well.
In the magnum calibers we have had ELD X bullets separate but in saying that they have done there job well.Attachment 151241Attachment 151242Attachment 151243
Never tried the 147s and seen the 143 fail badly but also have others like Flyblown who swear by them. I also like shorter barrels so the 140eldms are ideal as at lesser speeds cope well up close without blowups but more than capable at range. 2x 18" 260s later and I wouldn't bother running another ballistic tip besides the 140eldm. Used them on reds, rusa and fallow in 6.5 with great success
Also most fallow are sub 100m and was doing 2730fps so plenty quick. No blow ups at all and amazing kill factor
Fail in what way @superdiver?
If you’re interested, Berger 140vld hunting are a handy projectile in 6.5mm. Very consistent weight and uniform shape, expand well and shoot amazing in the 3x tikka 260s and 2x 6.5-284 sako that I’ve had the pleasure to shoot.
2 shots into a red stag by a mate and wasn't enough to stop it. 110yds from a 6.5cm and factory precision hunter. Not bad shots either and found lots of blood plus bits of bone but it took off reasonably unhindered. 3hrs of tracking and using my dog but got all the way to the property boundary following tracks and blood and see it on the open faces. Not allowed over there so we couldn't continueQuote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
I just have had ZERO issues with eldms in multiple calibres on big bodied game too even with shots that haven't been 100%.
I wouldnt say thats a bullet failure, its just shit happens, anyone who's shot a decent number of animals will have experienced occasions where animals that have seemingly hit well and hard somehow manage to run off almost appearing to have been unharmed. Every animal is different and sometimes just a 2 inch difference in poi can be the difference between a bang flop and a runner.Quote:
Originally Posted by superdiver
Has to be the shot placement. No other explanation for it. Missed the shoulders / leg bone / hilar / heart... 99.9% guaranteed both shots would have been too far back.Quote:
Originally Posted by superdiver
Doesn’t matter what regular hunting bullet you select from the normal range of Hornady, Sierra, Nosler etc, if a red stag does that, the bullet didn’t make it into the front of the vitals and probably only got the rear lungs. It can be even worse with monolithics or some of the harder bonded designs. Lots of blood and bone means he got well hit, just not in the right place.
I think it’s natural for the shooter to blame the bullet but when you look at the relative construction of the ELD-X with the cup & core designs like ELD-M, GameKing, Speer BTSP, SST, Nosler BT, etc etc, there isn’t that much difference between them and they all behave roughly the same give or take. Shoot enough animals with them all and you might start to wonder why we place so much emphasis on which bullet to use, its really a very level playing field construction wise. It’s the BC that makes the difference, much further out. The way things are going pretty soon I’m going to be chasing my bullet based on dollars!
I haven’t shot many close range reds with the ELD-X as its my medium range gun. But those reds that have been unfortunate enough to pop out of the bush right in front of me have been poleaxed by a front of chest shot with this bullet at that ~100m impact velocity. Instant bang flop down in a heap. The criticism of the bullet at that range is that it’s quite messy as it mostly breaks up and separates. I’ve got heaps of videos of that bullet doing the bizzo at 400 or 500m but bugger all close range stuff because I never have time. But this photo is a jacket removed from a decent red spiker, shot at 135m from behind and downwards, in through the last rib well above the midline, across the top of the heart & front lungs, bullet lodged in the front of the brisket. Instant collapse.
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Shot my biggest red stag with the 143gr ELD-X around 450m in the only small clearing steep downward on opposite face, shot was rushed and not ideal, wobbled around a bit on the spot and down he went. Pretty happy leaving barrel at only 2605fps. Using them for gongs and hunting now, seem to do the trick on goats out to 600m as well. No experience on the ELD-M's, sorry.
Biggest question is who’s got stock in the country?
I found the 147gr ELDMs out shot the 143ge ELDX in both my creedmoor barrels and the .260Rem. Even though its heavier than the 140gr and 143gr I found the 147gr gets higher velocities before pressure signs due to the thinner jacket and shorter bearing surface. Side by side I have not seen any difference on deer and goats. The ELDM probably has the edge over the 143gr past 400m due to the higher BC and lighter jacket.
Currently running the 147gr at 2730fps from a 19" barrel in my Creedmoor which I cant achieve with the 143gr Eldx
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What powder? That's shiftingQuote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
41.gr RL16 Lapua SRP Brass CCI BR-4. No pressure but I took it up to 2770fps which showed the start of cratering but not flat primers and groups opened up as I went past the 41gr.
Longest Red deer with the 147gr were around the 500m mark, they dropped where they were standing.
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