I have a 7mm08 suppressed Browning and am looking for a load that is around 2000ft/ps. Does anyone know what i can use?
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I have a 7mm08 suppressed Browning and am looking for a load that is around 2000ft/ps. Does anyone know what i can use?
I thought a 7mm08 was already suppressed ;)
Why mate? They will be as loud as 2800ft loads within reason. Get below a 1000fps and they will be pretty good.
Not really worried about it being loud - just wanna slow down the bullet for when shooting in the bail - bullets at the moment are going straight thru the animal. If we had it at around 1000fps what distance would we get? sorta want the best of both worlds - the distance if we need it and being slow enuf for the short bail shots.
get a 3030 or nother pig hunting cal that would be mintQuote:
Originally Posted by Darkangel
Sorry I thought you wanted quiet when you mentioned the suppressor. You could try a heavy soft lead tipped pill and a bulky powder. Retumbo, trail boss. You can just reduce the charge of your current load and get a heavier pill.
Slowing the same pill down will most likly increase penitration not lessen it! Try a light frangible pill that will disintegrate. Ballistic tip perhaps ( the actual ballistic tip not any pill with a plastic point as many call them)Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkangel
Yeah don't slow them down or the bullet won't fragment or expand. Try the Hornady SSTs. I use 139 grainers. They leave a fist size hole if you hit a goat side on, and will fully expand on a heart/lung shot on even a small red. That's my experience anyway.
2 of my most irrational dislikes in shooting.Calling any bullet with a polymer tip a" balistic tip" and calling projectiles "pills" so that 50% for you vietnamcam, i guess thats a pass:yaeh am not durnk:Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
What ballistic tip pills do you use sneeze?Quote:
Originally Posted by sneeze
stop it, you'r making my face twitch
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Originally Posted by sneeze
Seriuosly though. I only type pill/s coz I am to lazy most times to type projectiles. And as far as ballistic tip projectiles go are not most polymer tip projectiles trying to achieve the same thing as well as shifting the C of G and increasing BC? After all you need a hollow point to utilise a plastic/polymer tip.
Same here re: the pills to lazy to type projectiles.
But I hate the hut discussions/internet discussions around 'ballistic tips" and how they blow up/pencil threw only good up close no good up close etc etc.
When you eventually sift threw the bulshit 95% of them are not even talking about "ballistic tips" they are talking about some bullet with a plastic tip.:cave::roll:
You wanna fill me in then? Because ballistic tip to me is a bullet with a plastic tip and core with lead around that then the copper jacket like the SSTs. CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Have you tried typing" bullets"? its quite easy even for those of us without thumbs. Yes the polymer tip serves the same purpose for all manufactures but a ballistic tip is a bullet made by nosler, its a softish skinned cup and core projectile designed to be effective at longer ranges with lower velocities.Other than actually being a bullet it has very little in common with the hornady interbond,nosler accubond , Barnes ttsx and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
I irrationally dislike the word bullet. I have got thumbs ya cheeky bugger just maybe just one or two more than I am supposed to have. Ballistic tip is trademarked by Nosler. Plenty of others IMHO achieve the same/similar terminal performance and are arguably better than the Nosler.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneeze
Its incorrect but bullet just sounds like the whole cartridge to me. Irrational ?
As sneeze said "Ballistic tip" is a nosler trade mark For what was originally designed and intended as a varmint bullet IE extremely frangible (blows apart)
They proved very accurate(for most) and inevitably they were used for big game resulting in both hammer of thor and epic fails as you would expect.
Thus they were redesigned to be slightly less frangible but still one of the most frangible pills out there.
Lumping all plastic tips together as "ballistic tips" is confusing and unfair to the manufacturers. The performance of all the plastic tip PILLS :D varys widely.
Match the PILL (man Im getting lazy now) to the intended IMPACT velocity.
The lack of thumbs is my problem remember? tyres swinging from ropes? termites? I'll type this a bit slower so you can keep up.Yes you can argue others are better but how dose that make all bullets with a polymer tip ballistic tips?Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
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Posts:853Its incorrect but bullet just sounds like the whole cartridge to me. Irrational ?
As sneeze said "Ballistic tip" is a nosler trade mark For what was originally designed and intended as a varmint bullet IE extremely frangible (blows apart)
They proved very accurate(for most) and inevitably they were used for big game resulting in both hammer of thor and epic fails as you would expect.
Thus they were redesigned to be slightly less frangible but still one of the most frangible pills out there.
Lumping all plastic tips together as "ballistic tips" is confusing and unfair to the manufacturers. The performance of all the plastic tip PILLS varys widely.
Match the PILL (man I'm getting lazy now) to the intended IMPACT velocity.
I think I remember reading in the nosler book that the ballistic tip was originally designed as longer range hunting bullet after one of the Nosler family shot an elk(?) at a fair distance with a 30-06. The varmint "pills" came latter. But now I'm straying from irrational into pedantic
Hmmmm..... the copy paste the quote thing has a diferent effect now.
[QUOTE=sneeze;18251]The lack of thumbs is my problem remember? tyres swinging from ropes? termites? I'll type this a bit slower so you can keep up.Yes you can argue others are better but how dose that make all bullets with a polymer tip ballistic tips?
It doesnt, not my point at all. Ballistic tip is a trademark name on a Nosler projectile. There are only some subtle and slight differences that can be used through them all. Jacket wall thickness and ammount of lead core and shape. They are still made of lead, copper and polymer/plastic. Grades of each can vary yes, but it is still just a projectile. The Amax is seriously close in design and performance, no? Yet it is not a ballistic tip because of trademark.
You dont have to type slower, just include more pictures so I can keep up in future.
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I tried to upload both the A-max and the Ballistic tip, for a visable comparison and for some reason it didnt work. BC's and sectional density aside the only visable difference is the copper base of the nosler is thicker than the A-max. The tip design is just about identical depending on what the tip is made from, polymer/plastic. Therefore you could expect the tip's terminal performance to be similar. It is all I am trying to get at. I said in an earlier post that others were arguably better, I meant to say similar. The toe on my forehead is not the best to type with.
:thumbsup::thumbsup:Yeah pictures are good.
Well it seems irrational and pedantic rules so: amax and ballistic tip close? yeah I can see that, but what about an accubond? identical to a ballistic tip in every way except it has a bonded core.Its even made by Nosler but in terminal performance terms they are chalk and cheese.The barnes TTSX has a polymer tip but has no lead at all and performs nothing like a ballistic tip .I know a few guys that have red hair,calling then all "ginga" gets a little confusing so I use the names they where given and everyone knows who I'm talking about.Well as much as anyone ever knows what I talking about.
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Originally Posted by sneeze
Yep and if you look hard you will also find that originally they were all the same jacket in all available cals and were later introduced with a much thicker rearward section (6mm cal and up)of the jacket to try and arrest expansion/fragmentation.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneeze
These were labeled Hunting and the originals Varmint. ;)
Yeah na I cant look, all my books are home and i wont be for a while,but thats sort of how I remember it only I thought the original design was for a hunting bullet wihich turned out to be a good varmint bullet not the other way round,been a good couple of years since I read it though and my memory's not what it used to be.
The couple of balistic tips I'v sectioned accually looked a lot like the old nosler soild base only with a polymer tip.
However you look at it it was redesigned to perform better on big game in certain cals. Varminting is still hunting depending on veiw point
When it comes to pedantic irrational hijacked threads the point or pointlessness is all in the detail. :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
This thread has wandered.....
Are you wanting the bullet not to exit to avoid risk to the dogs during the bail?
I would be trying a bullet of soft construction if thats what your after
If you want something to lay the hammer on them up close I would look at something in the 160gr lead nose range
