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No reserve equals market value at the time.Buyers choice.
I could actually spare a tray of LR primers to test the dollar reserve idea, see if I can angrify a few Karen's......Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
@Burb122 Not if Labour has its way.......They cannot control the population if the population is not dependant on them. And they will never depend on them for food if they can hunt for it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Burb122
As for 257Weatherby,he had a item i wanted,i had a item he wanted.Items about the same value so we just meet up and swapped items.A good deal for both of us.No ripping off or price gouging.Good bugger to deal with.
Primers are due in the next month or so according to outdoors supplies, but not federal i think they will be a brand that we haven't used before.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyb
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Out of interest, did they sell at that price.
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Tell me about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
When you can go through 100 rounds per competition and 50 rounds in a training session without batting an eyelid, you'd have needed to stock up 4 years ago to be getting through this without planning 10 steps ahead.
Seems as though the US is getting primers just fine as comp shooters there haven't had to worry for a while now.
Scalping has been around for as long as money. It’s been a part of our economic landscape since Roman times, probably before.
Broadly speaking it is quite an unpleasant approach to commerce, one that never fails to get the backs up of those who desperately want or desperately need (big difference) whatever it is the scalper has for sale. But like it or not, it will never go away. It’s part of the free market economy, always has been, always will. Patients will usually overcome, because the supply and demand balance is always changing and before you know it what you want will be available from where you normally buy it.
Something I think about quite a lot is how comfortable we have become and how unprepared we are for when the shit hits the fan. The primer shortage isn’t a matter of life or death, but there’s all sorts of things we are entirely dependent upon that would quickly become a matter of life or death if they suddenly weren’t available anymore. If something happened that seriously broke the supply chain (war, natural disaster, etc) then we would see scalping on a scale that would make those in need desperately angry. And they would be absolutely fuck all they could do about it.
The moral of the story is to plan ahead, on a practical level. Make changes to simplify what you do where you can. Shoot smarter, use different rifles / ammo / components. Trade stuff like some of the fellas are doing on here. When I could see what was coming a couple of years ago I simplified what I do - I bought lots of the same cheap softpoints in place of expensive & hard to find latest & greatest, bought bulk one-fired brass, a big-ish powder purchase so that I have one powder that covers both hunting rifles (2208). I bought two 1,000 boxes each of SRP and LRP at the regular price after a warning that things were going downhill. Is that unfair? Course not. It’s good planning.
Dropping the nice to have fancy cartridges has been a blessing in disguise really, I realise I didn’t really need them in the first place.
I get that this doesn’t shoot the competition shooters and I feel for those fellas. But for hunters there’s a lot we can do to ease the pain of poor supply.
Your Tikka stock is very well priced in my opinion and if I had a spre 3 hundy I would grab it!Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
It’s scalping. No one likes scalping or should endorse it. Vast majority would agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyb
Happy to go without. Just hate seeing it and it should be noted.
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WeirdoQuote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
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Police are becoming experts at it:pissed off:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burb122
Shhhhh! I am a price gouging unsportsmanlike captalist pig dontcha know!, oh, and a weirdo too ��Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
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Originally Posted by 257weatherby
The free market is the free market(which I'm all for) but then there's screwing over other shooters after everything we've gone through since 2019 I would've thought people had more decency than this.
If you sell something for 5 times the price of what you paid for it that sets a precedent which others will use as the yard stick to sell something for.
I never claimed nor have I claimed you've- overcharged or ripped anyone off.
I can almost guarantee I've got more primers than you but whatever floats your boat there.
For me it’s just willing seller willing buyer?
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Got to keep this in perspective. Really, this only involves a few shooters nattering on the internet (here) and at the most a bigger handful of shooters who buy shooting consumables off Trade Me. It means nothing and sets no precedent. Most hunters and shooters don't use trade me, never visit a forum or particularly give a toss. The high consumers plan ahead and the casual shooter scratch around and get what they can from the retailers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
Primers will come. They will be more expensive because of freight costs, labour costs and inflation. Not 'cos someone was naughty on Trade Me.
I personally think you are off with your 1990s vision. A huge majority of the new Gen hunters are internet savvy and do a lot of there shopping online and trademe. Literally 1000s of hunting gear and kit sold daily on trademe, let alone what’s sold online (why do retailers have websites I wonder)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Just saying. If many pay $65 for a 100 primers. What becomes the new normal price? And what do retailers want to now charge?
I guess I want this thread to head you all to not buy in. Just wait if you can.
I’m not a rich guy and to enjoy my sport I want to be as fair and reasonably as possible.
We all mocked the toilet paper people right. This is similar.
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Thanks mate, appreciate the inputQuote:
Originally Posted by GDMP
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Mixed views on this, supply and demand is ok and I don't begrudge someone selling something at the new "market" price at a profit, but what I hate is those scalpers that hoover up all the components from the retailers when shipments arrive (that they never intend to use) and then whack them on trade me a day later at 200%+ mark ups because theres a shortage.
Making a few dollars by trading components that are scarce doesn't really get me excited, I'd much rather share any surplus i don't need, at the price I paid (or cost to replace) and feel good that a fellow hunter/shooter is able to keep doing what they love.
I heard an interesting story re the RWS primers . . . Along the lines of "there was a container of RWS primers headed to NZ, enough to solve the shortage for the forseable future, however whilst enroute Beretta purchased RWS. The container of primers headed for NZ was turned around and ordered to be sent back" . I'd be very interested to know if its just a story or not, and if its not, how the decision was arrived at. The answer would certainly influence my purchasing decisions of the future!
Scalping is a fact of life, the Ex NZ Speaker of the House of Representatives, the Right Honorable Trevor Mallard admitted to flogging off 'event' tickets at highly inflated prices.
People can choose to 'play' .............. or to not play.
And if you are in 'Desperation Street' regarding stuff like this - then you have only yourself to blame. New Zealand is a pimple on the arse of the worlds pig - we have always suffered shortages. It's why we had the 'No 8 wire' reputation - we made do, we became innovative .............. but that was a while ago.
Well, I bought a box of 1,000 RWS SR primers at a very reasonable price a year ago, from the fella in Rotorua. Gun Supplies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
He had plenty. But they were selling fast.
^^^ exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Butch73
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we can't mate. NO PRIMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GDMP
What U swap a tray of large primers for small lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Trout
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So true and I did the same. Spent an absolute fortune gathering brass, primers, powder and projectiles cause the writing was on the wall and now I’m sitting pretty. I put my name on back orders over 18 months ago and have just been getting the suppliers to pass them on to the next on the list as I don’t need them. Hopefully those guys who are next on the list are using them and not trying to sell them in at ridiculous prices
The trouble is that you kids think you are the only one's here. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Burb122
This last couple of years I've stepped away from target to focus on hunting. I knew I was ripping through the primers so this was a way to combat the lack of supply we've endured here in NZ. To me, shooting is shooting. But as it turns out, 45-70 is a lot more entertaining than 6.5 and I'm also not exploited from the lack of projectile supply. At best I can make it through 20 and my shoulder knows it's been shooting.
My 2c, if you get a chance to buy ANY bulk quantity of anything you should do it. All the bullshit price hikes for licensing are inevitable and inbound. So no, prices are not coming down. Just my take on it.
But I do agree that younger or newer shooters who are using trademe to buy supplies need to expand their sourcing skills. Your F.O.M.O is costing you so (like the wise fellas on here say) use back ordering or even better, join a club and bulk order.
But another thing. The firearms industry hurting so any time you can make a purchase from a real store and not trademe you'd be helping make sure the lifeblood of our sport is supported.
- I'm not shaming people for using trademe (I've bought the odd box when no shops had supply) but by buying ahead you win and so does the industry.
Yeah the H&F shits getting tired. Move onQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
While were on the topic of primers, anyone have some Fed210s theyre willing to part with? :XD:
I’m on holiday and can’t believe I just read six pages of shit. Here it is right here. Something only sells for what somebody is prepared to pay. Simple. Commerce 101. Don’t like it fuck up and fuck off somewhere else. Rant over.
Lucky for some I and I’m sure as many other are time poor! Don’t have time to YouTube it let alone act on it I only just manage to stay active on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Tararua Phil
Fuck off, not correct I just bought 200 projectiles off here for less than my locals retail and someone would have being willing to pay much more but the seller sold them to cover his costs . If your all about commerce take your 101 and don’t read 6 pages when in the synopsis it clearly highlights the monstrosity of commerce fucking knobQuote:
Originally Posted by Nathan F
[QUOTE=Kelton;1405005]Fuck off, not correct I just bought 200 projectiles off here for less than my locals retail and someone would have being willing to pay much more but the seller sold them to cover his costs . If your all about commerce take your 101 and don’t read 6 pages when in the synopsis it clearly highlights the monstrosity of commerce fucking knob[/
Well congratulations to you
Ps I have a shitload at home. I could have given you 200. Does that make me the better person ? Thought not.
No one mentioned a bigger man or giving anything away , I’d suggest covering your costs. This is the problem with the world on a very small scale but it all leads back to greed, not every step in life has to be for a profit . We’re not talking homes land vehicles were talking something that has a retail price .and before you start even go their not GV and what houses sell for this is something that across the board is equal and has being blown up by an individual seeking profit, This is a community based forum with community based ethics and to jump on and rip the shit out of someone for pointing out blatant scalping (banded in other fields) is just poor taste in my opinion I hope your well stocked and never need anything I have to offer because I flat out won’t trade with you. All the same all the best
Well THIS thread is entertaining!:D
Yeah I am well stocked thanks for asking. Probably went too far in my response but just get sick of the whole underlying attitudes and sentiments. If you didn’t know a shortage was coming you must have had your head buried in the sand. It’s the old have and have nots. Personally I’m bored with it. Profit is not a dirty word. I don’t know you @Kelton and will probably will never meet you but if you do need primers sing out. CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
Cheers mate and for that same goes