How much do YOU save? (9mm)

So as I've started the fun part of my probationary period, I've come to realise that the 1000 rounds of Winchester whitebox is not going to last long at all to my surprise *cough* missus *cough*

I have access to reloading tools so I wouldn't have to buy my own (yet) and with the Internet giving us free reign over where we can source our supplies I can buy all the extras.

The thing is though, it doesn't actually seem like there's that much savings to be had unless you buy in MASSIVE bulk? Is the whole ideology of reloading being cheaper deriving from American prices of supplies and .30 cal+ centerfires here in NZ? Or is it just a thing here because you can tailor your rounds to your own needs?

Considering you can get bulk 9mm ammo for $400/1000 (40c round) how much can you drop the price to by reloading in your own experiences? 30c a round? 20c?

Cheers
Macca

If you cast your own bullets and buy your primers 10k at a time and buy powder 2kgs at a time you will save. Some clubs arrange "bulk Buys" for members often at really good savings( at least both my clubs did).

@Macca

Here's my 9mm reloaded recipe not counting the initial cost of the brass, reloading equipment, brass cleaning and preparation or my time.

124gr RN plated projectiles $180/1000 or 18c each
5.2gr Belomnt Action Pistol $65/500gms or 5.6c per round
Federal small pistol primers $80/1000 or 8c each

18 + 5.6 + 8 = 31.6c / round.

Cheers
Pete

I'm doing it for 24 cents a round, not including brass.
Could do it a bit cheaper by using a cheaper powder (I use vit n320 - clean burning, so don't have to clean so often.... :) )

Rusa 124gn fp projectiles, n320 (4 gns), cci or fiocchi primers, and a mix of brass. Dillon 650 press with carbide dies.

Downloaded a bit from factory, so easier/quicker to shoot.


I'm finding that I'm having a issue with time though, so may buy a few thousand factory to keep me shooting.... (prob geco)

@Beaker

How much are those Rusa projectiles

and are they plated, coated or straight lead?

Cheers
Pete

136 or 140 from memory. Copper wash.

Bloody good to. Great service from them to. Actually over the top good.

136 or 140 from memory. Copper wash.

Bloody good to. Great service from them to. Actually over the top good.

Should mention that rusa are mainland based, and I am. Shipping to the ni may change pricing etc...

If you can source some lead cheaply and can cast safely, plus buy primers/powder in bulk then 9mm costs the same as good .22

My current stock of 9mm cost me under 20c a round excluding brass

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Originally Posted by Beaker

136 or 140 from memory. Copper wash.

Bloody good to. Great service from them to. Actually over the top good.

Should mention that rusa are mainland based, and I am. Shipping to the ni may change pricing etc...

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Pretty sure freight is free to an urban address. If you get the projectiles on an indent order they are cheaper again. I think the last ones were $121/1000 delivered.

This interests me but I don't know where I am going with it as I am never going to have the time nor patience to reload.

This is my current costing for reloading 9mm ....
I usually try buy x5000 projectiles/primers at a time .. as is what i can generally afford (would get cheaper if buying more in bulk/indent order as mentioned)
Components ....
Winchester Primers
124g RN Rusa Projectiles
TiteGroup
Once Fired Brass $7kg (buying in 5 - 10kg lots)
I find its a good money saver .allowing me to shoot more ;) ... I also find the reloading process to be relaxing and just some "Me" time(keep it clean lads lol)locked away in my own wee reloading zone...

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First shot costs me 0.30 cents a round (Cost includes the case).
Second shot costs 0.22 cents a round.
Rusa CMJ projectiles. (Buy 5-10K at a time on indent as its cheaper again at around $121 per K delivered.)
CCI small rifle primers (Buy 20K at a time at around at around $50-60 per K).
Powder (What ever is cheap. Buy 10kg at a time).

Loaded on a dillon 650 with a case and bullet feeder.
I can load 1200 rounds an hour with ease.

And............................................... . what no one has mentioned is actually you don't really save anything at all in fact often you spend more because you shoot more since you now have saved money reloading. :D :D :D

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And............................................... . what no one has mentioned is actually you don't really save anything at all in fact often you spend more because you shoot more since you now have saved money reloading. :D :D :D

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And buy more and more reloading gear

And drink more. ....... Gotta have a salad or two after a reloading session.

Cheers
Pete

I don't buy anything in bulk so no savings made on projectiles or primers bought at ~2000 a time.

I dont count the cost of the brass as I kept the winchester I had before I started reloading ~2000 of them and over the course of a year it has gone to ~4000 just by picking up what others are not. So brass is free, if you shoot 9mm.

Rusa @$136 delivered. I have shot about 3000 of the x-treme hollow points which are a lot more expensive and dont notice any difference on the scoreboard for IPSC.
Primers $75/1000 and 3c for 4gn powder.

~24c, not quite half the price of winchester but close enough.

It's not just the cost, it's the lighter load, lesser recoil and the chance to tune to your pistol for a tighter group.

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This interests me but I don't know where I am going with it as I am never going to have the time nor patience to reload.

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I reckon you should buy a motorised 1050, and get others to run it - you get things to shoot and they get things to shoot..... :)

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I reckon you should buy a motorised 1050, and get others to run it - you get things to shoot and they get things to shoot..... :)

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Speaking of ,anyone got a 650 they wanna sell me please :)

I dont load much 9mm anymore. Was lucky and have had shit tons of brass and projectiles given to me.

I load .40 for around 24c a round. I use cast 180gr for training. I get a great deal on a 1000 pieces.

awesome read!!

Gotta buy on bulk to make $$ savings for reloading. And you have to think, is this a long term thing where I'll be going through 5,000 rounds a year for a few years, or just something for now and next year I'll be doing something else.

Buy 2,000 rounds and see how long they actually last, and that'll give you a good idea if reloading for economic reasons is the right reason.

One plus to reloading, you'll shoot more :thumbsup:

I only started reloading to make lighter loads for the Shadow, now I'm mainly shooting the czechmate the PMC factory loads shoot really flat with a bit more kick, I only shoot factory loads if competing because I haven't got enough reliable brass.

My components cost is
Projectile, 124gr Rusa CMJ - $130/1000 13c
Primers , Winchester SP - $40/1000 4c
Powder, Belmont WAP - $40/lb = 3.5c
=20.5c/round

Don't forget you can sell your 9mm once fired brass for ~10c so subtract that from the cost of buying ammo. All in all if I didn't want lighter loads I'd just buy bulk factory loads.

Just keep buying the cheapest factory ammo (brass) you can to start with, try and keep same brand if possible. Build up your brass and have no worries about ammo functionability side of shooting. As Maw said, depending on what disciplines you intend to shoot and at what level, it maybe not about cost but essential to reload to tune pistol and accuracy required. The Win white box is reasonably hot, softer reloads will have you on target much quicker.
You"'ll know when it's time is to start reloading. Dillon 650 with casefeeder

Interesting you guys are pricing Rusa 124gr. at $130ish per 1000...the shipment I got a month or so back was $105 per 1000. I imagine I'm pretty much the same as the others 23-25 cents per round. For one reason or another I've not been shooting much he last couple of years and just starting to get back into it but my logs have me from 9/9/2013 to today 37,838 9mm rounds so c.$5675 over 40 cent a round ammunition...of course if I bothered to dry fire I'd save a hell of a lot more. Also depending on how you value your spare time it might be better to just buy factory.

Honestly when I started I always went a hand gun is a hand gun accuracy wasn't something you could do much with bar practice, then I saw someone put his pistol in a ransom rest shoot out to 50m and have the group size of American Eagle ammunition with reloads. So accuracy, cost and reduced power factor.

If the concept of doing a bulk order of 50,000 projectiles on an indent order isn't possible due to cost maybe try and get a group of people from your club to band together to order a couple of thousand each.

Hmm I forgot to include the GST on the projectiles, but it is still good value. Another reason for bulk buying other than economy is that on the odd occasion one of the components might not be available so having a reserve stash can get rid of a nervous tick. I mentioned tailoring lower power factors , but it can swing the other way, I think of the half dozen off the shelf .40S&W brands I tested only one made major power factor.