Would my Folks be able to exit US Customs with projectiles for me?
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Would my Folks be able to exit US Customs with projectiles for me?
Don't think so, on another forum there is a discussion about the paperwork needed to get projectiles from the US to Canada. Issues are from the US side. Check the US laws carefully.
Hit or miss I think. I'd give it a crack if it's not gonna be a large amount, or an expensive amount to lose on the offchance you get caught. I've seen plenty of people come over here with them no problems. Even had a client arrive here with 2 boxes of loaded ammunition in his luggage by accident
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Google "us export of projectiles". Just about all threads state an export licence is required. Not worth it these days. It might not just be confiscation, could be arrest and jail time.
Cheers guys! I've sent the TSA an email, so maybe they will be helpful? One can only hope. I will let you know
export license required.
not worth having your folks detained by the TSA nazis
if the volumes warrant it, speak to Mike at ReloadingInternational.com, he can organize the export paperwork.
What projectiles do you need to bring out of the US that you cant source here? I spent 3 weeks in Colorado last year stopping at every gunshop i could find and there wasnt any projectiles that I couldnt buy here in NZ for the same money.
I've bought back a few in luggage from time to time. No probs. prices definitely cheaper than here. But TSA might frown on it these days ?
223 z max 50g times as many as they allow. Definitely cheaper if allowed.
Many differing experiences from people who have tried, and no real info on TSA sites etc. So hopefully they send an email.
Thank you for contacting the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Contact Center.
You may not pack ammunition in your carry-on bag.* Black powder and percussion caps used with black powder type firearms are not allowed in carry-on or checked baggage.
Small arms ammunition (up to .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge) are permitted in checked baggage as long as they comply with the following Federal regulations:*
• Packaged in a fiber (such as cardboard), wood, or metal box specifically designed to carry ammunition
• Declared to your airline
Ammunition may be transported in the same hard-sided, locked case as a firearm if it has been packed as described above.* You cannot use firearm magazines or clips for packing ammunition unless they completely enclose the ammunition.* Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be boxed or included within a hard-sided, locked case.*
To learn more about traveling with a firearm or ammunition, please visit http://www.tsa.gov\travel\transporti...and-ammunition.
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That looks like to be security information - for flights anywhere including the USA
Export is a different thing again
I'm currently in the US and will be looking into this further as I will be bringing several firearms related accessories back with me, including hopefully scopes, reloading equipment and projectiles etc.
I will ask the security team on duty when I fly from New York to Orlando next week.
I'll let you know what they say.
I have done Similar things out of Hawaii with no problems ..... The last time was 2014.
The other option is to have your parents post them to you, but this may be cost prohibitive due to the weight.
Cheers
Pete
My interpretation of TSA's response is that projectiles are not ammunition and therefore not subject to TSA firearm laws.
As far as export goes, checked baggage is fine leaving the states.
I'll declare them coming in to NZ and pay the gst.
But, I will wait for your experiance. Thanks Pete
And big up to TSA. 6 hrs and a correct response. Damn that's fast
I've brought a heap of them back at various times, including last winter.
On the last two to three occasions, they've been spotted by X-ray in checked-in luggage, examined by TSA and they left a card in there saying they'd been examined. No issue.
They haven't answered your question. That is just the requirements for hunters taking their own ammuntion with them when they go hunting.
I asked them if I could "leave the US with rifle projectiles for personal use in my 'checked luggage'. With no incendiary or explosives to be carried."
I believe their directed response is due the TSA having no requirements for projectiles.
Just because the TSA aren't concerned doesn't mean it's legal.
The TSA are only interested in safety, I believe it is ITAR who are the ones who will be on to you for exporting ammo etc without a licence. I believe projectiles and brass require a permit for export.
Where they will ever know, is another matter? I don't know what checks ITAR do.
US State Department - Policy - Directorate of Defense Trade Controls
Projectiles/bullets, as long as they are not listed as military grade, are not considered controlled export items under the ITAR munitions list.
Catagory 3. US munitions list
Mate I always grab half a dozen boxes whenever I'm in the states...have never been asked about them and they typically cost about half what NZ retail stores charge
I cannot find that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hillman
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I was paraphrasing complex policy across a number of policies in that document.
It is legally easier for policy to say no to items than to say yes. This why we will not find policy simply stating yes. If it is not defined as a controlled export item in carry on luggage, then it isn't.
I can not find any mention to prohibition or certification of non-military projectiles for personal use in personal luggage to New Zealand. Middle East countries yes, NZ no.
And the TSA allow it.
Checked luggage is not export rated, if TSA requirements are followed. 5 kg etc etc.
I now understand why this was so hard to find.
And why the TSA can yes or no depending on who is working desk that day.
I'll tell my Folks to be nice.
But as a question. Has anyone seen a post of someone having projectiles confiscated from checked luggage from US to NZ? If so, please post a link here. I'd like to see it
Ignore this statement I miswrote it.
"Checked luggage is not export rated, if TSA requirements are followed. 5 kg etc etc"
Does that mean no Sierra projectiles, as they are used by the military is some loads?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hillman
they arent that pricey here...... 32c per projectile for 50grn zmax .223 in 500 box
how cheap do you anticipate getting them????
Sierra is a brand.
Full metal jackets are likely restricted due to that militaries are not allowed to use soft points. And thus militaries want them.
Soft points are sporting ammo. And likely, as I said above, not restricted.
18c a roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I've brought projectiles back a number of times and a bunch of reloading gear. Never had any problems leaving or with NZ customs. All fully declared. The only thing you can't transport is live ammo due to the powder being a Dangerous good. Components are fine if they aren't DG. I usually get my stuff through MidwayUSAQuote:
Originally Posted by Hillman
Good luck
Exports are not classified exports when they are gifts - Legal gifts - Outside the perameters of militery spec munitions.
I can not find any legal writ preventing such an item being transport out of the US.
If anyone can provide me with the writ I will gladly retract my interpretation.
But, seeing is that no-one has been able to supply this info in any blog or govt site that I have searched, I suspect that I am right in that projectile checked luggage, leaving the US, as gifts, within the terms of any US documented policy is legal. The US just don't state it.
Read my posting (#15).Quote:
Originally Posted by small_caliber
Have never been called back from the departure area to " explain". TSA don't seem to care once they see they're just projectiles.
Small_caliber. What did happen to you at the airport?
I ask this because, as per the original thread, we are only talking about checked luggage.
Avoid tracers. Just saying.
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
What happened when you got pulled up in TSA with projectiles? Because I only wish to know about checked luggage. I have no interest in posting stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by small_caliber
Thanks
Brendon Butler