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Im just curious to see what you kiwis are running in the 7.62x39 over there? out of which platform and with what ingredients?
Red deer are 'tweeners of what im chasin , so it would be a good start to see what some of you blokes are poking them with..
i just loaded and blooded a 150gr load , an have shot one fallow with a 124gr sellor bellot factory- i think this round is fantastic.
ive had to load 150grains to be "sambar legal" of over .270 cal an 130grains of projectile...
keen to hear.
cheer
the 125grn nosler balistic tip .308cal projectile pushed along with lilgun powder worked well for me... shot some 150grn old school winchester silvertips pushed by same powder to good effect too. at 25-50 yards you poke something decent into chest and its night night nursey everytime.
25-50 yards... poke it in the eye too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
how bad was the "accuracy" when you loaded the .30 cal projectiles?
ive done this before in 303 british specifically the Ruger , which is a bit silly to begin with.. but this bore is .311 or so, no .308x39 here- have alot of 130gr Woodleighs in .308 cal, that hold very tight in the case...
ive stepped up cartridge from .222 to the 7.62x39 for my young bloke to attack ze deers- so we need something 'accurate' to 200 meters.... both above mentioned loads are suitable for 200m...
that SB runs about 2450fps an the 150 is around 2100 in 20 inch..... thats plenty
im reading this thread also FYI an a few others
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....78/index3.html
would like a few loads in one place from experience killen ze deers
I just use the barnaul 125 gr soft points, yes I know you can't get them any more but I accumulated a case and a half after the "buy back" from disgruntled ak owners and have enough to probably wear my howa out.
It's moa and im happy to take a shot at up to 250 metres on a red deer if it's a good presentation. The bullet looks ugly but is very effective.
mouse fart loads?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
you guys still allowed ARs? everything online is mostly American AR related but some Ruger info coming out with the Ranches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
No AR's anymore. I used to run a 7.62x39 upper on my AR and it was my go-to deer rifle. One shot kills every time on red deer out to 150m and very little meat damage which maximized the yield. After the great confiscation I purchased a Ruger Ranch bolt gun since my 10 round Ruger Ranch semi-auto mags were still valid in that rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees
I use 127gr Highland factory ammo (now branded as PU). Never needed anything else.
If reloading, best to use projectiles designed for the 7.62x39 as opposed to other 7.62/.308 projectiles because the jackets are lighter in construction for the slightly lower velocity round.
thanks man, im just reading some of your posts in another thread from a few yr ago actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotbarrels
well thats where it gets interesting...I believed and still maintain that the x39mm is a 150 yard rifle..and thats it..... yeah ok past there on small critters or in open country with medium critters you might push it a bit past there.... accuracy was always below 2" which fitted in with my thinking... its still going to be inside the vital bits.... we got caught with good red stag we THOUGHT was 150ish but was closer to 225 and bullet went into lower leg...3 hours tracking led us into place we shouldnt have been and abandoned in rain with trail washed out.... that still remains the only animal we shot and wounded and couldnt recover with any cartridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees
keep the range close and it wont let you down. the .222 or .223 falls into same territory unless you got fast twist and use heavies to make it a nearly .243
nope full noise...lilgun NOT trailboss..... trail boss is fun fun fun and great for finishing shot up close..not so flash for general use FOR ME....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees
if you can find the hornady 50 pack with red plastic tips grab with both hands..its a SST /amax type projectile and works very very well... we used half a box one night spotlighting some large wallabies and nothing needed 2nd round to finish it off.
Yep its wise to err on the side of caution , why not..Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
i think you are onto it, shooting at extended ranges demands a range finder, or knowing the range within -+ 20m in my opinion. there is SFA in drop from any Cartridge in 20m under Realistic shooting distances an scenerios one would somewhat find themselves in a typical, normal, without looking for LR, type hunting scenerio.. which is what i want to keep this rifle for, basically a point an shoot at 200m with 200 often being a slight holdover but still on fur..
its like with any big Centre fire, most can point an shoot to 300meters, but anything beyond this is alot of time a guess and a stroke of luck, if not ranged... yeah of course , it is way easier with a "prc" of course.....
Easy to talk about an nit pick online but cheers for the experiences, at this point in time i must re iterate the fact i need to use 150 grain projectiles for legal reasons.
i'll be hunting sambar at some point this coming week with the 150gr load an of course, hunting is the game....close is the aim.
Thanks il keep it in mind if kangaroos are ever on the menu an for some reason the 222 is out of gasQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I will dig out the loads I used as lilgun is not a powder often used and had mate do the quickload thing for me.... ar2206 is just about a perfect powder for the wee cartridge,you could JUST ABOUT (well actually you could) fill case to base of neck and pop projectile on top of it..it is litterally impossible to overcharge the case with projectiles up to 150grns.try it some time and you will see what I mean.
Nothing wrong with that nice venison headed for the BBQ.
open country like that...ideal. its a funny thing choosing between the x39mm or a .224 centrefire.... arguably more room for error with the x39mm and also arguably more accurate with .224
you look like you got good handle on when NOT to shoot ,which is just as important. go for it and post up results,have sent PM with the lilgun data. I see a lovely wee zastava rifle...good man. your potential for accuracy is higher than what I was running,and the full length barrel would give you better velocity too.
I wouldnt hesitate to use the hornady bulk pack stuff on deer... fallow especially.
I've got a CZ carbine in 7.62x39 and with the Hornady SST ammo (brass or steel case) it will shoot sub moa all day.
But it hates most other ammo. PPU Soft point shoots ok but the last red deer I shot through the shoulder with PPU just needled through and the projectile didn't expand, that was at just over 100 yards verified by a range finder.
still an awesome gun and a great caliber
We had a norinco something or rather as kids after the .222 and before the .270 we shot a lot of goat,fallow,red deer and a few samber 120 something gns rings a bell. They were a steel case Barnel or Barnul from memory a whooping $7.99 for 20 rounds came jammed in a small box about the size of 3 match boxs together. I remember they had a red ring printed on them maybe at the neck to projectile junction I really can’t remember now and then the cases were green as 8 year old war movie fanatics we thought they were well cool . It was surprisingly accurate while not as accurate as the .222 it accounted for many of table animals with no issues. Years later my partners cousin was an avid ruahine meat hunter and bought a Ruger mini 14 in x39 and shot over a dog . That rifle would have taken 100s of deer For what they are and applying usual ethics you can’t go to far wrong .
Most nostalgic reply to a thread iv written in a long time thanks for that.
if you can find the zombie loads or projectiles..its the same pill just puke green tip....
Our samber efforts were always chasing fallow and the rule was any samber deer shoot it bring me the ears and il pay you we shot them with the .222 as well not something I’d recommend but again at 8-10 years old we thought it was shit hotQuote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
I thought it was a spew amax?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
reading up on the wee cartridge when I used it... all the plastic tipped hornady offerings are pretty much the same,and at the velocity/or lack thereof the wee case generates,soft is good.
they sure as heck smashed big(20-40kg) wallabies over with authority ...
It's a bit of a myth that x39 is't accurate brought about by people buying cheap rifles, and cheaper ammo and declaring x39a useless military caliber. My early production Chinese SKS shot rather well for a non floating barrel with sloppy trigger. I am guessing it killed hundreds of goats and a decent red deer by the time I sold it. Much more pleasant to shoot than a bubberised 303 for example. When comparing a x39 and 223 AKM syle rifle the x39 actualy shot better and my x39 AR shot just as well as any of the 5.56 ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I would take the x39 deer hunting over the 223 any day, both are on the lower end but the slower heavier projectile seems more reliable from what I have seen.
TBH Rees I think its a bit light on for sambar. 150gr doing 2100fps is only about same as 30.30.
The 30.30 was the minimum permitted for many years in Vic and justifiably so. (Min 2" case rule)
But I think if you restrict your shots to say, 120 meters you will be ok. Given the nature of the bush where Sambar like to hang out it's unlikely that will be a problem for you.
A bit further for Reds. Say 150mtrs
You don't have access to a 270 or 308? Much better options.
to clarify...I have very accurate .224 centrefires....and the x39mm I built as a bush rifle,short and light..it DIDNT NEED to be better than 2" at hundy accurate because I wouldnt use it past 150yards... so I never bothered to try to reload really accurately for it other than a play with subs....with that in mind we didnt ask the x39mm to be more than 150yard rifle...I shot wallabies a lot further out than that with norinco FMJ in yellow packet...that is potent ammunition.... but the deer we shot with it were all under 100 yards and we had no problems other than the one too far away mentioned above...that was purely MY FAULT ,not the rifle or ammunition nor the trigger man.... mine and I own it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
a fallow out in open is a completely different beast to a red in tight bush.....im my experience they arent overly hard to tip over if you hit them right.
and re-reading what you typed...we actually agree on far more than we dont LOL... its a great wee round,used within its limits..same goes for the 223.
Cut one of those yellow packet Norinco fmj in half and it will surprise you.
do tell...or better still show and tell.
all mine are long gone as is the rifle,there is still a x39 in cabinet but its not mine.
They are steel cored which is why they're a bit longer than the usual jobbies for the same weight and therefore subject to another piece of nonsense legislation regarding prohibited ammunition. I found this out when I noticed strange bits below a steel target, they've got a flat nosed mild steel core in, these are a few recovered from a plank placed below a very angled plate. Amusingly more damage was done to the plate surface (ar 450) by some Hornady soft point than by this stuff
yeah, most powders are like this with the x39 man, its small. im runnin a coal of 2.245 an the load is not compressed but you wouldnt fit a gnat in there .Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
we roll with 4198 , 150s ---- id like to hear from others using the cartridg on game
You miss this point i think mate, that is the culture an trend of 'sambar' hunting... ;) or perhaps you grew up reading Kens book ? ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by Oldbloke
of course, when hunting the aim of the game is the close the gap, place a shot- i think its a hunters rifle, not a shooters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAum04oXR3M
they were made for holoween one year an thousands of stock got sent to au an nz, impossible to find, but wait, they are indeed the V max.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
where we at currently, doing a series on patreon with it- brown deer this week id say when the rain comes
https://youtu.be/FIRN2M8Ai3I
Shooting fallow does is not the same a Sambar Stags.
Average live weights of male deer. These are the numbers I have.
Fallow 60 -70kg
Reds 200kg
Sambar 260kg up to 300kg.
Good luck.
If you were any good you would use a 22lr. Ha.
thats a bit out of context.... ha ha but all good cobberQuote:
Originally Posted by Oldbloke
Same. Shot reds with good effect even with Chinese Norinco & once hit in the vitals they go down pretty quick; but the longest shot was about 150 yds on a yearling hind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
Phil.