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    One comment I would make about the standard cup n core type bullet is that the tips can easily damage in the magazine. I have no evidence to suggest that this effects accuracy but I don't like seeing it. I prefer the polymer tipped projectiles in this regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shearer View Post
    One comment I would make about the standard cup n core type bullet is that the tips can easily damage in the magazine. I have no evidence to suggest that this effects accuracy but I don't like seeing it. I prefer the polymer tipped projectiles in this regard.
    not an iissue for @Phil_H as he's running a single with no mag
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_H View Post
    I hear you @Woody and I now tend to agree. I am going to try my best to do one gun and 2 or 3 loads for all animals from wallaby to deer.

    But talking about hypothetical, when first thinking on this conundrum and allowing my thoughts to go blue sky with no limits.....I actually started to think that a shotgun comes closet to the mark as the all rounder in NZ if one is willing to limit oneself to the range of a shotgun slug.....and what would that be??? 100 meters???

    An interesting thought and discussion....but for another thread. And final note, using a shotgun allows one to have a semi-automatic as well....at least for now anyway.....now that's got to make some people sit up and think...

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    It is not that one gun won't do it (it will, as years ago there was no choice. It was a 303 or nothing) It is the fact that some cartridges are better suited to some animals/ranges than others. It just depends on how much you are willing to deviate from the "ideal" cartridge for a given situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooseman View Post
    While one rifle, one load will do all you need it's nice to choose from a selection of rifles and loads for different situations.

    Yes and No @Mooseman. Once upon a time I used to be in love with the idea of a huge gun cabinet full of all the toys.

    Now as I get older I may be getting a little fuddy duddy. I now like simplicity. Keep it simple. If, in our new retirement home.....when it happens.... Sharon shouts out there is a pig or a deer or whatever in the orchard I just need to reach for "THE GUN", whatever that maybe.

    I also like the adage "Beware of the man (woman) who only has one gun. They most likely know how to use it."

    Yes, having one gun....apart from the shottie for ducks and the .22 for possums and rabbits....and really being able to use it to such a degree that it is just like an extension of my arm really appeals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ONYVA View Post
    I think you should wash your mouth out and promise us that you will not tell our wives this crazy theory of yours.
    @ONYVA, whilst I have never met your wife.....and for that matter, many wives of other forum members.......who I am sure is most delightful, I promise I won't talk to her......well....not without your permission at least.

    Sheesh....even talking about other Forum members wives is dangerous territory for me if Sharon finds out....

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    Phil, it's a little like trying to play a round of golf with just one club; or expect to be a proficient fishetman with just one rod. The old story; horses for course.
    I don't use a semi shotgun but two shots is a darned sight more efficient than just one. It is very difficult to achieve identical poi with varying bullets / loads from just one rifle. .308 is versatile without doubt but as you grow into hunting and shooting and reloading I'de pick you will see the benifits of multiple tools for the various means of filling the pot or precise bulet placement reliably. It's a great recreation and a pleasure to compete against yourself to improve skill levels and success rates. A bit like golf but with much more variations and entertainment. The sport has very few limitations as for example the paralymmpics. The world champion skeet shooter is a NZ paraplegic. Ha ha; it's a bug that is harmless and rewarding when done right.
    A .22, a .308 or 6.5 (preferably repeaters) and a shotty that fits you well are a basic combo in NZ.
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    now to throw a proverbial spanner in the works.....
    has anyone mentioned the humble Nosler Partition ?
    They always seem to get mentioned whenever someone is wanting a do it all projectile that gets reliable and consistent results.
    I have never been much interested in them as the BC isn't that flash and I tend to shoot much longer ranges than Phil, but I would have to wonder would the Partition ppossibly be the magic bullet Phil is seeking ?
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    I'm a big fan of Jeff Coopers scout rifle concept so I totally get why someone would want "one rifle" to do it all but I'm at a loss why anyone would limit their ammo to one type. Picking the "right" ammo for the job seems fundamental to me but then I usually buy what's cheapest and works .

    During the lockdown I went deep down the rabbit hole looking at shotguns and different caliber inserts. While this could be a practical solution, I don't think its really worth it once you add up all the costs and hassle involved. It would still be pretty cool though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shearer View Post
    One comment I would make about the standard cup n core type bullet is that the tips can easily damage in the magazine. I have no evidence to suggest that this effects accuracy but I don't like seeing it. I prefer the polymer tipped projectiles in this regard.
    I used to use a set of tullins snips to remove the lead tip off poohseventy rounds as they got beat up in the mag shooting wallabies...the bottom two rounds might have had 10-15 rounds fired above them....I shot a chammy at reasonable range with those snipped tip loads...how far you ask????well first shot aimed at top of shoulder clipped her toenails...allowed me to apply Kentucky windage....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_H View Post
    Thanks @Micky Duck. Yes I have come to the conclusion that two loads are what's required and yet the 150gr projectiles appear to be the optimal load for the .308......if there is such a thing as the optimal load.

    Of the 125gr accubonds that @dannyb loaded for me. They are a bloody delight to use. Whilst I accept that he has used them to good effect on deer, I also acknowledge that he is a lot more skilled than I am.

    I have always thought that the heavier slug is going to be more effective in the hands of the novice hunter like myself. To date I have used the Winchester 180gr to good effect, but all within 200 meters. The only two deer that I have shot over that distance was with factory load 150gr SST's and while I didn't get the expected result, I have been of a mind to use the SST's again.

    But your thoughts on the 125gr Accubonds? OK in the hands of the novice hunter or should be left to the more experienced? Losing animals is not something that sits well with me.

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    you have mentioned a load that is very dear to my heart and for deer at close range is to my mind pretty darn hard to beat...the factory winchester 180grn sp....now some doubting Thomas's dont believe me that the recoil from them is less than the 150grn loads....you have used them so KNOW what I mean LOL.

    the accubonds SHOULD work ok.....Nosler knows what they are doing...Danny has brought up a VERY good point...partitions arent cheap but by thier very design fit your bill....soft fast opening front and solid rear...big hole and penertration.
    the 125grn ballistic tips worked great for me in the x39 so similar to the 08 at 200 yards....
    personally dont like the ssts....no real reason,they just dont squeal my wheels...could be the bad experience had with factory 150grn superpreformance versions over Christmas....
    cup n core sp projectiles do the bizo.
    if its got speer on the box it will work
    if its got nosler on the box it will work
    once upon a time I used whatever ammo was on hand and killed animals just fine n dandy...as did thousands of other folks.
    if you FORCED me to pick...semi cheap and will do it all...yes the hornady bog std 150grn sp would get the nod....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    you have mentioned a load that is very dear to my heart and for deer at close range is to my mind pretty darn hard to beat...the factory winchester 180grn sp....now some doubting Thomas's dont believe me that the recoil from them is less than the 150grn loads....you have used them so KNOW what I mean LOL.

    the accubonds SHOULD work ok.....Nosler knows what they are doing...Danny has brought up a VERY good point...partitions arent cheap but by thier very design fit your bill....soft fast opening front and solid rear...big hole and penertration.
    the 125grn ballistic tips worked great for me in the x39 so similar to the 08 at 200 yards....
    personally dont like the ssts....no real reason,they just dont squeal my wheels...could be the bad experience had with factory 150grn superpreformance versions over Christmas....
    cup n core sp projectiles do the bizo.
    if its got speer on the box it will work
    if its got nosler on the box it will work
    once upon a time I used whatever ammo was on hand and killed animals just fine n dandy...as did thousands of other folks.
    if you FORCED me to pick...semi cheap and will do it all...yes the hornady bog std 150grn sp would get the nod....
    Yip I reckon for 0-300 the partition would be pretty hard to beat for an all rounder, cost is irrelevant as they will result in things dying very efficiently
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    What is so good about Partitions? Bloody expensive for a soft point but haven't heard anything bad about them. Do they need a bit of speed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdiver View Post
    What is so good about Partitions? Bloody expensive for a soft point but haven't heard anything bad about them. Do they need a bit of speed?
    not my area of expertise but the below info is stolen from Nosler website,
    specific to 150gn 30cal Nosler Partition

    Minimum speed:1800fps
    Maximum speed: unlimited


    1. Nosler Engineering

    Nosler's special lead-alloy, dual-core provides superior mushrooming characteristics at virtually all impact velocities.


    2. Fully Tapered Copper-Alloy Jacket

    Ruptures instantly at the thin jacket mouth, yet the gradual thickening along the bullet's axis controls expansion and curls the jacket uniformly outward at high and low velocities.


    3. Nosler's Integral Partition

    Supports the expanded mushroom and retains the rear lead-alloy core. The enclosed rear core retains more than two-thirds of the original bullet weight for deep penetration.


    4. Dual-Core Construction

    Every Partition® bullet in the Nosler® line delivers optimum length, weight, and ogive design for maximum in-flight and terminal performance.


    5. Special Crimp Locks

    Adds strength to resist deformation under the pressure of heavy magnums.
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    John Nosler got sick of folk shooting moose and them walking away.....so he designed the partition....a soft fast opening front part...to give expansion and tissue damage.then a hard rear core to penertrate through....sectioned the projectile is like a rugby goalpost...there is a hunk of copper through the guts,its like two cup n core projectiles glued together at the arse....
    the dont have fancypants high B.C. but for shooting and killing stuff they "just work"
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    could shoot a speer grandslam which is basically the samw for alot cheaper.

 

 

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