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Hello there everyone,
Brand new pistol shooter and looking into reload for a 9mm. Projectile of choice is 124-125gn and powder of choice in between ADI AP70 and AP100… leaning towards the AP100, regards primers i don't know anything to start of but heard the winchester is ok for small pistol…
Please can i have some help here?! the powder is my choice as i think it won't be so difficult to find and price wise…
cheers.
Mac
Send @nznoddy a pm.
He will be the best start for components.
AP 70N or 50 goes well in 9mm.
Maybe a bit dirty if anything.
Tight group is really good and I have just sourced a cheap 8lb tub😆
I have a heap of AS30N if you get a 124 gr load for that I will flick ya some. I only used it for fireforming Ackley brass.
If your going to shoot ipsc then you will need to reach power factor for what ever you intend.
If your just plinking then load as light as possible to save on powder.
I wouldn't get hung up on primers. Win or cci all good.
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Belmont action pistol is another good powder for 9mm and at $55 for 500gms it good value for money too.
Combine that with Rusa's 124gr round nose projectiles and you'll be a A grade shooter in no time.
I currently use federal SP primers mostly because I have lots of them
Cheers
Pete
Buy bulk components for pistol. You might not think you shoot much when you start but your component stocks will go down faster than a fat kid on a seesaw.
Use small rifle primers as it saves on buying separate lots if ya shoot an AR or the like.
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I have few of small rifle primers I just don't have experience in "Pisto" reloading, saying so I must take it easy(I prefer). I will make more enquires about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Thank you a lot for the heads up...
Cheers
Winchester pistol primers and buy them by the 5000 or 10 000, do a search and talk to your local club members on what deals they get. If its a small club look to meet people from a larger club to do bulk buys for all your reloading components be it primers brass projo's or powder.
Winchester 231 was always good to me, I think it was about 3.5 grains to hit minor pf with a 50 fps buffer running 124's I did run major for a bit but thats another story and a whole different powder / bullet combo
Feds tend to be a bit thin but good for revolver's if you run a light trigger.
My info is probably out of date by 20 years so take it for what its worth.
Small rifle primers may be too hard for your particular pistol but be willing to experiment, they differentiate between pistol and rifle for several reasons.... otherwise they would just be called primers
If you are thinking of shifting house.... watch how many projectiles you stock up on. A few thousand is rather heavy :) yes I know, I just need to shoot more.....
My mix is 124gn rusa flat nose, small rifle primers (have used federal, fiochi, cci - all ok), vit N320 powder, and a real mix of brass - what ever factory I brought for a start and some once fired I brought for a rather good price.
And a dilion 650 :)
Did try some as30 and 50, but way to dirt for my slack cleaning program. With the n320, after about 1500 -2000, I give may clean. After about 150 with as, it looks like you've dumped it in wet graphite powder. And I found it didn't meter well, but also didn't try to sort that as I swapped back pretty quick.
I will be looking at adi powders when I get low on vit though (but is a bit pricey And sometimes difficult to get)
You'll find that ap100 will be too slow for 9mm. You'll need a lot of powder to get any decent velocity and it probably won't all burn up. I used to use it in 38 super to make major but wouldn't bother in a 9mm when you can use half as much powder by going to a faster burn rate like ap50/70 to make minor.
I am very proud of all of you fellas in this forum, I hope to be able to help as many people I can as I have been helped here by many of you.
Cheers for all the valuable info shared
Mac
Try to weka some powder and try some loads before you commit to buying a bulk amount. I used ap50 in my cz but most other club members were using ap70, so I bought 4kg and hated how to shot for the same power factor. So went back to ap50, now I use Belmont action pistol, I was buying it for $40/lb and winchester SP primers for $40/1000 but have lost my wholesaler now.
Only downside is the cheaper powders are dirtier, but brake clean is cheap
If you plan on using a progressive press with a bulk-feed priming system then avoid using Federal primers. They are quite soft and have been known to cause explosions in bulk-feed systems. Winchester and CCI are fine.
Can you get vihtavuori powder in New Zealand?
14 grns of N310 behind a 125 grn K&N Bullet is a one hole shooter in my P210.
Its cleaner and a Bleached Angel too.
14gr in a 9mm:wtfsmilie: , I wouldn't recommend a beginner playing with a fast powder like N310 in 9mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
This is why you shouldn't copy loads you read on the internet, I had a mate ring up last week working a 223 load and he read that a guy was using 34gr of benchmark with a 55gr, I told him to try fit 34gr in a 223 case and call me back
Yeah we can get it but it is costly.Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
I use vit 320N in my .40 but no where near 14 grns. 😆 (suspect a typo and you mean 4?)
I reach power factor with 4.5grs and a 210gr cast bullet.
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What he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by P38
The Frontier 124grain CMJ bullets from Rusa and Belmont Action Pistol (Use the data on Belmont's website or the same data as Winchester Action Pistol) and whatever primers you can get in bulk.
Minimum power factor for IPSC is 125. That's 1008fps for a 124 grain bullet. You want a power factor of around 130 -135 which is 1050 - 1090fps.
Remember, power factor is the absolute minimum. Not a target.
Don't be like the guy who turned up at the IPSC Nationals, didn't make power factor on the chronograph stage and got a zero score for the whole competition. As did his wife.
This is correct 4 grains.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Wet latex gloves and a phone screen
My minor load for my Shadow is 5.2grs Belmont Action Powder 124gr Rusa plated projectiles.
Power factor is a shade over 129 in my gun and that's Probally a tad low for competition as mentioned above
Cheers
Pete
I'm shooting 4.0gr Titegroup and 124gr Rusa flat nose, Winchester sp primer. Getting around 1100fps and about 130 power factor. Shoots nicely in my Shadow.
@stug that Titegroup load is very very nice, I ran a can of it in my Shadow too but kept looking for cheaper powders, @P38 Yeah that's my current shadow load too, and I run about 6.2gr in my Czechmate. Is below major but I don't like to thrash my gun for club shoots.
The thing that I picked up with 9mm loads is the dramatic difference that comes from OAL changes, you can fine tune the feel and velocity by playing around
I run Winchester Super Field as I can use it in both 9mm and .40, although it's a bit harder to find than titegroup or the ADI varieties.
Guys, been offered a Lee pro1000 for free but with "some" fixing to do, I passed it for now but I am looking for a Dillon 550 or 650 in a reasonable price and available in NZ, can be new or used.
Loading 9mm.
Cheers.
Mac
Workshopinnovation for Dillion gear, cheapest I've seen in NZ, by a few hundred.
Don't overlook the Hornady lock n load ap either. Mine took a little fine tuning but runs like a dream, pro1000 can be made to run really well too but takes a lot more fiddling
Don't fuck around, just get a 650, with case feeder. Don't need all the other accessories (a Mr Bullet feeder would be exception - it's on my list to buy).Quote:
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Interested in some magazine holders for S&W MP9, if someone has one or two for a very cheap price I will assess my funds...
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Find someone in your club with a Dillon 550 and get them to teach you how to use it. Take your own components to load your own ammo while you're being taught.Quote:
Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA
Then load up enough ammo to last you for a few weeks until you get a Dillon of your own delivered.
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Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA
Nothing wrong with airsoft replica Cr Speed mag holders from eBay, and can buy 4 for the price of 1 genuine one
The Lee pro1000 have loaded bucket loads of 9mm parts are cheap too.Quote:
Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA
Free is a very good price one I'd be hard pressed to turn down
Check out Titan reloading for more reasonably priced parts
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Cheers
Pete
Running 4.something gn of N320 (will change to something cheaper once I've run out, maybe Titegroup), Rusa 124gn flat nose and CCI primmer.
All loaded in a Lee Pro1000. brought this second hand on TradeMe for stuff all include a box of spare parts. Have pretty much swapped all the older parts out and replaced them with the spares. It runs great and can do about 4-500 per hour without to much trouble.
Will find a cheaper source of primmers too once I've got through my last remaining 1,000.
My ole Glock loved ap50. I found ap70 a bit dirty. 50 made power factor easily with 4 grains ap50 shooting 124gr rusa projectiles. Very accurate too.
But be careful reloading is addictive and soon you will be buying dies for more and more calibres. Enjoy!
I've been running a Dillon 550 for the last 8 years never needed any spare parts, lost count of the number of rounds I have loaded in .357 mag 9mm .45 acp .223 and .308 just keep it cleanQuote:
Originally Posted by P38
and they keep turning out perfect ammo, A friend has worn out a couple of Lee progressives in that time what he spent on repairs would have paid for a Dillon
