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Hi all, I've seen a similar post before, is there anyone close ish to matamata that would have the time and patience to show me how they reload, I'm getting close to buying a setup(probably from reloaders up in Aucks)but it would be good to see someone in action and just generally get some advice on the whys and hows etc
Thanks
go on youtube, check out a guy named juijitsu2000.
worth a watch
Thanks @gonetropo, dont think I've seen any of his
Also check out somebody using whatever you're planning on buying.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
I tend to watch the gnarly old guys who have interesting workshops and a ton of gear, not the young guys with gucci (flash, expensive ) kit.
They tend to know more and be less impressed with fads.
I have probably made every mistake you can in reloading apart from an unexpected detonation. The mistakes while frustrating at the time, helped me a lot.
The process itself is not rocket science. It is simple.
Just be vigilant in how you process data and you will be fine.
I refer to it as a very long slippery slope, to satisfaction[emoji16]
And of all the fads that are out there claiming to make the most accurate loads, I find annealing the most useful.
Great way to spend time alone when the household is driving you nuts as well. Good luck[emoji106]
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I'm over toward Cambridge, far from an expert reloader but you're more than welcome to come have a look.
Okay thanks guys, @feratox I'll get in touch when I have some spare time and we can make the stars align.
I was looking at the rcbs kit that reloaders have. Looks to have almost everything I need? Barring calipers and dies.
@R93 I did see cavedweller on YouTube annealing with his cordless drill. Made it look very effortless
That's how I do it. Not supposed to be consistent etc but I have had excellent results thru 4 different cartridges.Quote:
Originally Posted by charliehorse
You have to destroy a couple cases to get it right. Even with the flash annealers you sacrifice cases initially.
I would buy a flash machine tomorrow if I didn't think it was easier and cheaper and just as good doing it with the drill[emoji16]
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Don't get hung up on annealing when starting out. It's a variable that can be left out. Many very successful reloaders and target shooters still don't anneal.
Plenty other aspects to grasp first off. Add the process in further down the track if desired.
If it's the rockchucker supreme kit, yeah. I'd add digital scales to cross check your balance beam scales, and also a wilson case gauge for whatever cals you load. ( lets you see at a glance whether you've got the shape of the case right, and whether it needs to be trimmed or not )Quote:
Originally Posted by charliehorse
Annealing would be the must foundation for good reloading. My 2C. Sizing hardened brass went out with the ark.Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
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Originally Posted by zimmer
That sums up the annealing debate. Each to his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeRei
I load about 3500 rounds a year for my son & myself. These are used in target shooting.
I don't anneal, never had, some cases are on their 12th reuse.
These are as easy to load as virgin brass. They are as accurate as virgin brass.
I also don't speed a lot of time doing load development.
Once per new barrel and projectile has worked for us, working on powder quantity to find a point where the group is naturally smallest.
Listen to a lot of people, think about what they've said or shown you.
Adopt what works for you.
You'll have to find a routine which works for you and delivers the results you want/need.
AMP annealing is the way to go.
Improved case life and far more consistent velocity’s and accuracy.
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AMP?
https://www.ampannealing.com/index/
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Annealing made perfect
Ha ha. I don't know the OP's financial circumstances but nothing like recommending a machine which is potentially 2 or maybe 3 times his start up budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon
Heading off into the anneal or not to anneal debate rather than answering the OP's request for help with the basics methinks.
Annealing as a must for reloading, first time I have heard that. OP nothing wrong asking for help. A lot of fellas like tinkering and figuring stuff out. I'm too lazy, or maybe dumb, I forget. :D If I can get a lesson or soldiers five on something I'll take it every time . Are you on good terms with any gunstores? When I started out I got a mate working in one to give me some lessons.
I have an AMP machine and it's very, very good. However, it's certainly not a must have and definitely not recommended for a reloading beginner unless you have a money tree growing in the back yard.
Charliehorse, I don't live too far from you and you're more than welcome to come over sometime. I may even have a few items that you can have buckshee to help you get started.
Just watched the first few mins of a 7mm rem mag vid of juijitsu2000. . His sizing die set up is lazy/incorrect and has the potential for case head separation, didnt watch any more. Anyone can put anything they like on the internet, a lot of it is just wrong. Far to many people try something, think it works based on a very small sample and cling to it like its fact, it spreads and becomes collective wisdom. Sometimes it right, other times its just bollocks. Experience doesn't seem to fully insulate from this.
Reloading can be a basic set up to build OK hunting ammo for a good price or you can end up down the rabbit hole spending the kids inheritance trying to reduce your SD to 1 or anywhere in between.
My advice would be stay away from annealing, electronic scales, case gauges, run out gauges, neck turning etc etc. Start basic. I still prefer a good reloading manual to anything on youtube. Add bits as you need to solve problems you find along the way not because some said you "need it" . Learn as you go, keep an open mind and keep it engaged, dont believe everything you read on the net especially velocities some claim.
Take 10-Ring up on his offer... you won't regret it... Tokoroa is a short drive and he's a good bugger! :thumbsup:
As for annealing... I don't do it but I've also used brass I've had annealed and it's a great tool to have but not necessary especially when starting out loading as your trying to figure out what you need and what's best bang for the buck (pun intended), what you don't need and what's going to fit in with what your trying to accomplish with your budget.
Old Lyman manuals would probably be the best textbook for anyone starting out. The basic principles dont change but through experimentation guys develop shortcuts or sidesteps based on experience. Start simple and work up.
I still use a simple Lee handloader for 45/70 and 3030, hammer the primers out hammer a new one in makes ammo as good as anything, and gives young guys at the range something to watch they've never seen before.
I resemble that remark ☺Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
Reading is the best way to learn check this book out I have a couple of other books by this dude easy to follow and he knows what he is talking about U-tubers can be dangerous,
Zediker Publishing Top Grade Ammo is the book to get available as an Ebook, I prefer paper easier to have handy will reloading.
Australian, Maori and Pakeha ?Quote:
Originally Posted by charliehorse
I’m in Hamilton. Have got the RCBS kit. Happy to run you through it.