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Looking to travel with loaded ammo in a checked bag...looking at the Air NZ regs see up to 5kg is ok securely packaged. Would securely packaged in a cookietime container count or is it only factory/aftermarket containers that would be acceptable?
*Asking for a friend.
At checkin they will probably ask if it is packed in factory packaging, but I can't find anything on their website that states it has to be in factory packaging. I doubt you would get away with a cookie time container.
When I came home last from England with Emirates they said it need to be in a locked container inside of the hold bag.
No worries said me brought a small cash safe and Emirates where happy!
Win thinks me No because every airport has there own security staff this is the rub you will bend over backwards and do all the airline says but the pitfall is with the each individual airports security staff. They have the final word on if it goes on or stays behind. It will even depend on who is on at any time of the day and if they even know anything about firearms.
I listen to them as they scanned my rifles at Heathrow they had no clue. I was just lucky in that I had a security guard that was a hunter and talked the scanning lady around she was dimmer than a blown light bulb.
Sorry not really any help. But for ammo keep them in there brought packets and a small lock box. That should satisfy them. If you have a wild cat cartridge our reloads don’t tell them. Any factory packet will do.
Maybe that is of more help.
I got caught like this it needs to be in factory packet or an aftermarket plastic ammo container. They took mine off me even though I had phone air nz and they only said a 5kg max and in checked in bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08
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Was like thisAttachment 100236 with the factory packets inside. Then packed inside my bag.
I've travelled heaps with reloads in factory ammo box, never a problem. Wouldn't need lockable container for domestic flights. I was just wondering cos as others have highlighted there is no specification other than secure...and an icecream container of ammo one day might be ok and on another confiscated.
Yep - I has same issue last year flying to Queenstown for a week in one of the Hunter Valley ballot blocks. They never said anything to me and it was only when I came to dig out ammo prior to getting everything organised for chopper ride that I realised they'd taken all the ammo (284) and left me with 3 rounds !!! WTF ?? They left a wee scribbled note saying "not in branded packaging". I'd put some rounds into a plastic case sleeve thing (Federal factory ammo) - they threw most of that out, except 3. I also had ~ 10 rounds in a soft camo pouch, each one in its little belt and holder. All chucked out. I was farkin wild ! They'd thrown out all my long range loads and left me with 3 bush loads. When I investigated the issue with staff at Queenstown airport they we unable to explain, told me to talk to the security guy that does all the scanning. He more or less confirmed that they make it up as they go. WTF ?! When I flew south again in July I went to great lengths to clarify with Air NZ prior booking what was required for ammo. The range of answers or responses I got went for very vague or ambiguous to down right stupid nonsense. I suggest that they spell out in exact words on their website what is required. Nothings changed. When I checked in I went thru the same questions with the person at the counter - their answer was "we really dont know" - just wanted to confirm which bag it was in and how many kg's. So when I took that bag to xray I made a point of explaining again to that person before I put my bag through. They also said "we dont have a clue, its up to the security person running the Xray machine". So I asked if it was possible for me to wait and get confirmation from that person that the bag & ammo was ok. Which they did. Everything in that trip was packed in factory ammo plastic & cardboxes. And one was in the plastic box container things (20 rounds) that you can buy. The whole system seems very subjective and does nothing for security or safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08IMP
Just use the green ammo boxers and no worries
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I've order some 9mm Dillon containers. Should be ok.
@chainsaw it wouldn’t have been Air NZ who took your ammo, it would be the clowns at Aviation Security, all baggage is x-rayed at the main Airports, Auckland, Queenstown, ChCh, Wellington etc they are also hot on bic lighters, my mate got a nasty note in his pack as they took 3 out of it, your only allowed one and I think it’s meant to be in your carry on?
The best way to ensure your ammo doesn’t cause issues is to put/leave it in factory box’s, max of 5kg. I wouldn’t risk anything else.
With Air NZ when you check in and declare it, they will give you a special firearms bag tag, which you read & sign, they give you one copy to keep for bag pick up at your destination, you then take your rifle & bag to the oversize drop off, a staff member will scan the tags, I wait until it’s gone through & ask them if it’s all good? ie, the x-ray was all good.
You then pick it up from Baggage Services at the other end which should be near the baggage belt, it’s generally the last bags delivered.
Now if you have any trouble checking it in, as in the staff member is hazy on the procedure “Politely Ask” for a manager to help. I just bought some down from Akl the other day & she was a little confused as I didn’t have a rifle, just the ammo, it’s the same procedure, no drama.
Thanks @outdoor lad, yep I'm very familiar with the procedure and understand that its aviation security doing the screening. But its Air NZ staff and web site that are the face to public & the only ones you can talk to & deal with the check in.
Unfortunately they seem to be poorly trained and very unaware of the requirements or issues. I've also had that discussion with Air NZ, including managers "up the tree"
I also had recent example like you where I was taking ammo but no firearm. We got there in the end but took a lot of discussion and involvement of several people behind the desk.
The other one I keep telling them about is that they should allow (make) you take the bold in your carry on. That way the rifle and ammo in the hold are rendered harmless.
Shit that would rip your undies.Quote:
Originally Posted by chainsaw
I complained to air NZ as I had phoned the main call centre to get all the info and told them that no one ever said they had to be packed into factory containers or after market ammo cases.
The look,ed up my recorded call and they refunded me the cost of my 7mmsaum ammo at factory ammo prices for 70 rounds.
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Nope can't take bolt separately. Once just had a suppressor in my carry on. No ammo or gun. Security made me go back and check it with my bag even though I didn't need to declare. Their reasoning was different people could bring parts that are assembled in the cabin.
Yep. If there's no problem, we'll make sure there IS a problem. We're here for a reason, like ALL ferkin' bureaucrats. Cnuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08
Good job where not walking through naked:O_O::sick:yet our some bits would be travelling in the hold....some in the cabin:thumbsup:....and some left at home...:wtfsmilie: mind you at lest all the fat weapons that you see crawling onto the planes these days wouldn’t make it onto the flights, god I saw one coming back from America just now that had trouble even fitting through the security gate:o I was just praying it wasn’t on my flight:sick:
No don't believe so...just locked away.
When I went to South Island I just put it in my check in i had 200 rounds 2 guns 3 mates I had with me had 100 each also
In a range of large cf Cartridges
Air nz were sweet
But did say it was at the pilots Discretion they have to inform the pilots and its upto to them if they Feel comfortable Flying with ammo on the aircraft but no issues
Flew down to the Toby shoot last month with Air NZ checked rifle through with bolt in the top of my pack and ammo in checked luggage, same pack as bolt. Rifle in hard case with padlock. Under 5kg of ammo and everything separate. No worries.
This is the ammo box used.
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Checking into ChCh today and waiting at the scanner after declaring 4.8kg of ammo and held up by a guy in front in was checking ammo in as well but packed in an icecream container...not well received.
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PS...although declared it was treated as normal checked luggage so without a firearm didn't need a special tag and to collect the other end from airnz counter.
Always keep a few old original cardboard packets for this. I have grendel in some 6PPC boxes and 303 in 7mm08 box the other day - dare someone to say it wasn't original ! To avoid problems I made sure the total weight of ammo and its box was just under 5kg in case they went on gross weight. I've had a mate get loose empty brass confiscated so put that in "original packaging" too. It's a game and you can win.
Ammo a nod bolt dont seem to need locking up but I try to usually like in a black cash box.
About guns in locked case, I've tried putting the 7kg case inside a big bag to make the most of a 23kg allowance and also strapped two cases together at 22.5kg and got away with it but was touch and go so my plan will be to check a simple case only and pay for an extra one if needed. Now I've got a big rifle case that will fit a couple of bags of venison as well as the gun. :)
Travelled myself again today - simple <5kg ammo (original packets)
In checked luggage, rifles in a case (need to sort a bag around them as wasted 23kg allowance)
No issues, Auckland, Wellington, Napier
The one good thing about jetstar is you get a baggage weight allowance, eg 23kg can be made up of 3 different bags. Makes it significantly cheaper when flying with guns etc
Good reason to fly Air NzAttachment 101389
Update to my flight from Wellington
They did search my bag - found a note in it this morning when cleaning everything
Had probably just on 5kg of Ammo
