Hi,
Wondering if anyone has used this and is it really low risk of ricochets? Apparently so. Am thinking it might be good for stony country small game shooting. Thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Hi,
Wondering if anyone has used this and is it really low risk of ricochets? Apparently so. Am thinking it might be good for stony country small game shooting. Thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks
Be good to know how accurate it is too.
gee I wish we could get it at $7 a packet here......
I remember stinger being advertised as having lower risk of ricochet......going so quick and so soft it breaks up rather than bounces.
funny how things go full circle.
705 fps, that would still be subsonic on top of Mt Cook. Friend in Twizel complained to me that most brands of subsonic .22LR still make a crack up in the high country, he found one that didn't. Now there are two.
These are made for the US market where suppressor ownership is relatively rare, so instead they've done their utmost to reduce the bare muzzle report. Also great if your suppressor is a poor performer, like my factory stock JW15's.
interesting because the manders one that came on my JW15 is really good.....is yours a manders??? skinny black with rounded end...can push muzzle end washer inwards.....
Been using the quiets on my little badger. Accuracy is good to 25m, at 50m they start to spread out. I've found them quite brutal on hares. All you hear is a click of the trigger, and the thump when they hit.
Mine is steel, no name on it, no rounded end but you can push the muzzle end washer in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Innwr construction: Has a stack of simple, flat washers spaced out with springs, the central hole in the washers must be 8mm or 9mm. (Need to visit mitre 10 to get some with a smaller hole.) I assumed the holes were deliberately made that big for tolerances because JW15 bores were not always concentric with the barrels.
Adding a rubber wipe near the exit did help suppression but I recall accuracy suffered a bit, but it helped me confirm the bullets travel along thecentre of it.
unscrew the base end and make sure there isnt a "spare" thread protector cap in there...mine had one so I ended up with two...they left factory with it stored in there.
pretty sure the manders are alloy all the same. the thread recently with 3 .22lr and 2 centrefires has a no name suppresser that looks just like one.
you could try giving internals a good clean out with hot water etc to get rid of built up powder etc...it does make a difference.
funny that now I just use subsonic power point in my JW without suppressor as its very quiet as it is....
It shot fine for out to 50m out of my rifle. I shoots well out of my 10/22 but it wont cyslce a semi so bolt is best. Seriously quiet. What I am wondering most about is whether the segmented projectile significantly reduces risk of ricochets and if anyone knows?
Thanks
I would think the segmented projectile may result in more pieces ricocheting, but they wouldn't travel as far.
A 40 grainer at that slow speed, I suspect it will readily tumble on impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiawatha
I have a nickel coated CZ as a dedicated set up to shooting CCI quiets, both segmented and Waltz tool hollow pointed solids. Barrel is shortened and suppressed, and it has a Vortex Viper 2.5-10 FFP on top which I have sighted in at 5m increments and have stickers on the turret for easy dial up out to 55m.
As others have said, accuracy is pretty good out to 50m. Beyond that grouping would struggle to head shoot rabbits, so I only have it doped out to 55m and have set that as my practical limit.
The are super quiet. Suppressed, they are noticeably quieter than a suppressed PCP air rifle.
In terms of ricochets, I would treat it as if it was any other 22LR round as you never know when one will hold together and go further than expected.
Hey I am trying to get hold of some segmented 710fps CCI..... I have a job to do in a built-up area and have run out. Have been all over the south island in the last couple of weeks and haven't found any..
Any one know where I could lay hands on some? Need a hundred rounds if poss?
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Originally Posted by hotbarrels
Sounds like a nice little setup and preferable to PCP in my opinion.
Can you report on the amount of ricochets with them? Sounds like you have used them a bit and maybe on stony ground? Thanks in advanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Sidney
@Sidney is a lawyer and I doubt you can trick him into providing a non-ricochet warranty. The only safe assumption is that your next shot WILL ricochet and so your firing zone has to be as clear as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiawatha
That said, segmented bullets have a higher chance their rickochets will be as three or four smaller pieces of lead, but they're still ricochets.
Sidney is qualified but not practising. He struggles with the idea of the idea of being locked in a small dark room having to read copious amounts of complex fine print with aging eyes for lousy money.
However my friend is correct bout the CCI SEG low speed risk will be reduced over a large sample size, but not eliminated
Yea, that was my goal. Way cheaper outlay (already had the CZ sitting idle) than PCP, but not quite as accurate as my brothers .22PCP, and given the bullet weight difference, I suspect the PCP would have less ricochets.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Waltz tool hollow pointed solids, always wanted one, never any reply from Waltz USA. How did you get hold of it, would you like to sell it?Quote:
Originally Posted by hotbarrels
Hi @flockQuote:
Originally Posted by flock
Sorry, only just saw your posting.
I imported it direct from Waltz 5-6 years ago at best guess. Sorry, its not for sale.
They work very well. I bought a couple slabs of CCI Standard at exceedingly good pricing back then, which only came in solids, then bought the tool to make them into hunting ammo.
I can HP around 500 an hour, so usually do a brick at a time and then put them into screw top plastic jars.
You have to strip the tool and clean it after every 50 rounds as the wax build-up in the dye will cause a crushed round. I just drop the HP forming pin out and push a .22 cal cleaning brush down through the top of the dye and all the wax pops out.
I predominantly shoot the slightly higher speed CCI segmented subs. They still richochet, but the petals are small and not at all aerodynamic. Over 1000 rabbits and hares were shot with these, and 100% of the animals had 1 entry wound, and 3 secondary wound channels. The majority of the shots had 3 exit wounds, so the petals passed right through. I suspect the petals exiting a rabbit would not travel far, as shots over 80M tended to have at least one of the exiting petals caught under the skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiawatha
I suspect the slower segmented silent variant of this round, would not have the bullet petals leaving the animal as often.
Shooting rocks - ricochet is almost guaranteed, but the bullet petals will not fly as far as a hollow point or solid.