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I understand that Chinese copies of the DOC traps are now appearing in NZ and wanted to get more information about them.
I am in the UK and there may be a market for them here provided they are any good for stoats as we can no longer use Fenn Mark4 for stoats here.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Have you got a link to these. im wanting to do more trapping here for stoats ferrets etc but cost prohibitive on the traps.
Why are Fenn's not allowed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomdhu
Link to full artical.
https://predatorfreenz.org/stories/w...ted-doc-traps/
Excerpt of artical
Although Phill gifted his claim to intellectual property rights for the DOC series, he has been disappointed to learn that the traps have been sent to China by others and copied for the New Zealand market.
“The Chinese rip-offs are being sold in New Zealand as DOC traps,” Phill says. “They’re sold as humane and they’re not. They even have my name and DOC stamped on them
Probably the 150s brought in by Outdoor Outfitters (Gun Citys wholesale division) and sold retail through GC, H&F etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by 55six
gee thanks Micky :XD:.
Sorry Tomdhu this probably doesnt help you ? 55six just buy the genuine NZ made DOC 200s , if you are coastal buy the stainless ones, if you are inland the zinced ones are good enough. CMI springs are your go to people.
Moa, fenns are not allowed here either to trap ferrets and stoats because they dont meet NAWAC [national animal welfare advisory council ] because they dont kill the animal quick enough. They are ok for rats however.
150s are not suited to ferrets.Quote:
Originally Posted by NZShoota
Quote:
Originally Posted by kruza
Thanks I'll avoid.
Selling similar product is one thing, disregard IP and using others name on it is another matter. I am wondering who sent out the OEM order to factory in China?
I'd stick to real thing if possible. Have passed NAWAC and will last the distance.
you should read Davey Huges book...it might give you some idea....Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Rabbit
Since 2020 the approval for use of the Mark4 Fenn on stoats was withdrawn - a crazy situation because the UK Govt went to sleep over the issue and they adopted the AIHTS position on stoats by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
The Fenns are still the top traps here for rats, grey squirrels, weasels, rabbits and mink. They cost less than 25% of the cost of a DOC150 hence virtually everyone ignore the law and continues with the Mark4 for staoats.
I read that article and frankly it was diminished in terms of credibility because it was over-negative about Fenns. The comments were inappropriate deliberately misleading. I have a lot of respect for Phil but I cannot believe what he is quoted as saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by kruza
As for getting his thumb caught in the Fenn then that is just farcical. ASs a trapping expert he would have known how to set a Fenn without risking on's digits.
This link shows how it's done.https://www.trapbarn.com/video-on-setting-a-fenn-trap/
try a connibear....the others are childsplay in comparison.
oh and I reckon anyone who has set traps of any discription for any length of time in decent numbers (more than a dozen more than once a week) who says they have never caught themselves is telling porkies.....as school kids we all ran gin traps and yip they hurt like hell but you live n learn.
Trappers have a very thin "social licence" [ I hate that term] to trap in a few peoples eyes and we have to do what is correct as far as animal welfare. To ignore that we do so at our peril. It is not just good enough to say I am happy to kill it slowly as it is just a rat which will eat a baby bird...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomdhu
I still have the scar LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
again try a connibear..holy shite they are .......authoritive
......Social licence....what, you mean like thrashing around in agony for 2-6 hours like the higher order mammals do with 1080??Quote:
Originally Posted by sore head stoat
(sorry, couldn't help myself)
As a kid maybe around 8 or 9 years old, I had about 6 traps and I certainly got caught, ONCE. The traps had been given to me and were very old and a bit weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Saved enough to buy 1 shiny new trap but when I got out into the bush I wasn't strong enough to set it even standing on it. It was way stronger than my old ones. Ended up taking one of my Dad's G clamps with me so that I could set it. I don't think he knew. Ah, he probably did...
That trap used to scare me.
Birds lovers vs Cats lovers; Cat lovers vs Predator Free voters; Conservationists vs Economists; Green Plant boys and girls vs Geophysics....:pacman: What a wonderful world....Quote:
Originally Posted by sore head stoat
Kids for sure, but an experienced adult trapper should never get nipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I’ve got some conibears, they take no prisoners, no live ones anyway.
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I've set snare traps and I'm sure they arn't an instant kill.
Poor little critter hanging thier suffocating to death in a noose.
Oh that's right I dont give a fx#k.
Never seen a wild cat or Stoat go oh it's to inhuman to rip a live bird to pieces. Or a rat or possum go how inhuman of me to eat a fledgling or egg. I strive for clean efficient kills but that's not the reality. Not every trap trips correctly and the worse traps are live catch traps in my view. Spend all night freaking out. Freak when you go to collect it, freak when realise your going to kill it. How's that human. Yet every greenle preaches it a better way. Paah.
I soon learnt to set trap with both jaws to one side and then flip it over once set...was setting them for years before learnt to do it with hands...I always used to use my foot to depress spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
the string thing..for connibears would actually work for gin traps too....