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Ok guy's, I know it's somewhat subjective as different rifles prefer different brands etc but what is the alround ideal accurate sub and high velocity? I've been using CCi velocity and winchester sub's but would like to stretch things out a bit more.
I prefer the Winchester subs
always go well
Avoid remington subs like the plague. 3 out of ten will break the sound barrier.
CCI subs go well in my CZ.
Winchester m22 is exceptionally accurate in 3 of my 4 22s, the other likes mini mag. Although it's a bulk ammo and solid it shoots as well as anything else I've tried and the solid for rabbits seem to work as well as hollow points.
Anyone tried lapua or Eley?
I tried Eley subs thinking they were going to be the holy grail, but they grouped slightly worse than CCI subs. As muzza says, you have to try a few in your gun, just bear in mind that nailing down rimfire accuracy can drive you nuts.
aus Winchester 42gr subs are the ducks nuts imho,cci subs usually shoot slightly better in rifles I have owned but the terminal performance of the whinny is way better.
Everyone I know has pretty much gone to CCI subbies. They seem to consistently shoot the best in most rifles. In HV take your pick. I have shot a heap of Power points over the years and they grouped fine and killed well. CCI mini mags are also very good and group better in my three 22s.
i use cci std in one 22 and mini mags in my other one mrs uses cci subs in hers
Winchester 40 gr subs in my Ruger 10/22 go well, function well, quite clean burning and the bullet opens up well on small game.
I find the best bet with 22LR is buy a few brands and test them. Start cheap with the bulk grade subs, hunting brands, then into match ammo SK, SK match( same manufacturer as wolf), RWS, Eley and Lapua etc. You start with the cheap stuff first, as you might find the accuracy you need at a lower price point and not to have to go any higher. I had a CZ which loved stingers off all things in HV and also SK match of the subs. Which was good as SK match is economy price compared to Lapua. Some of the higher grade match stuff can be
fairly expensive.
recommend winchester dynapoint /rabbit ammo or modern winchester equivalents likewise in subs .FFS avoid remington subs at all coasts -ones i tried were ?gay as one got a wee "poof'and the round skipped up the road to meet the target,who 99.9%of the time had had a cuppa tea and shot through given they were so bloody slow and inaccurate.
ive blown possums chest walls out with dynapointnever failed me rabbit ammo similar.
Them Remmy subs seem very hard and dont dump energy very well. Although they go through the 10/22 nicely. Prefer winchester subs. But my boy has issues extracting them in his Savage bolt gun, hence the remmys
https://www.shootingstuff.co.nz/eley-contact-50-rounds/
If you have a semi you must try this out. They oxide the case which probably makes them stick a bit better in the chamber which probably makes the pressure a bit more consistent in a bleow back (that's my theory anyway).
It's all reliable as far as CCI and Winchester subs go with misfires few and far between.
They both are accurate and perform well on game, deciding factor will be which performs better out of your rifle.
CCI for consistency. i used to use lots of winchester "laser" and "expediter" but as time wore on they started to sound different each shot. some went bang some went boom and groups spread.
if you are shooting a semi 22 then steer away from remington and aguila the powder is filthy stuff
Had same and found it was the dirty barrel increasing pressure and speed of the bullet,give a run thru with the cleaning rod every now and then fixed it.
CCI for all rimfire. they are the most consistent unless you want to spend $$$$$ on target grade ammo like eley tenex
i would never use remington in a semi, sure it hits hard but that powder is dirty as hell
Winchester subs for killing power for me i found cci subs were lacking on kill rate
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Yep I found the same, after shooting thousands of rabbits with both CCi and Winchester subsonic ammo I feel that the Winchester projectile is more effective on small game.Quote:
Originally Posted by 199p
I find that the Winchester projectile with the larger hollow point delivers energy and expansion better.
I also noticed that a few in every packet of CCI the wax coating has actually filled the entire hollow point up , this won't help with expansion or energy delivery, they almost act like solids.
One big different is the audible thump when both the projectiles hit. The Winchester is a much louder thump as it connects which to me indicates more energy delivered and better expansion , kill rates also back it up.
u use those high velocity cci "pre fragmented" rounds whn not shooting subs.Quote:
Originally Posted by viper
so recently i shot bunny in the chest, skinned it, gutted it and gave it to wifes workmate. he found lead just in front of the rear leg. a little lead can travel quite a way through flesh and do allot of damage.
still happy with all cci ammo. i was happy with remington till i bought a semi then it was a cleaning exercise
No only ever sub sonic ammo for the reason of lack of noise and keeping the rabbits un spooked. I work one farm in particular pretty hard so the more settled they are the better for return trips.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
A sub sonic round has a surprisingly effective amount of killing power on a rabbit well out past 100 mtrs.
Yeah I did try the pre fragmented stuff, mainly on possums , chest shooting at 20 mtrs was very effective, however the stuff was expensive and a sub will do the same job .
I'm quite a fan of the CCI Segmented subs. Mainly due to the lack of energy the fragments have after passing through an animal. Each petal of the bullet will have tumbled through the animal before exiting, doing a massive amount of damage, and dumping a lot of energy. Anything that does exit cannot damage the irrigation systems in the orchards I shoot.
Paying the extra for bullets is infinitely cheaper than repairs on an irrigation system, and the possibility of being told not to come back.