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    Quote Originally Posted by mimms2 View Post
    I'd be pretty unhappy if your cat was on my place...
    He said was on his place?


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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzman View Post
    He said was on his place?
    He's not quoted as saying "it was on my property". He says it was in the gully behind his property. If the cat was shot in his backyard it would say that. On the FB page he says something about wanting a guarantee from the golf club no more cats will be shot on golf club property.

    I'm thinking the cat was on the golf club land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GWH View Post
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    After watching the video footage captured by the cats owner, the shooter didnt deal with the situation in a great way at all. By doing what he did (nothing and just walking away) he has only inflamed the situation further.
    Seems perfectly reasonable to me?
    What would you do if some rabid cat-feeding bookface twat was filming you? You know there's no reasoning with a karen...

    If you don't want "your" cat shot, keep it on your place, with a fluro collar and a bell.
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    Wot he said ^^^^^
    Be more involved and less impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimms2 View Post
    Seems perfectly reasonable to me?
    What would you do if some rabid cat-feeding bookface twat was filming you? You know there's no reasoning with a karen...

    If you don't want "your" cat shot, keep it on your place, with a fluro collar and a bell.
    Pretty simple isn't it? I also wish people would stop dumping unwanted pets in rural areas. I could open a KFC with all the roosters dumped around us.
    Last edited by Boar Freak; 30-07-2021 at 07:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulcannz View Post
    While I despise cats that is not true. Companion cats are protected under law as a companion animal, and unlike dogs have a right to trespass. You can kill feral cats, but must be very careful to identify them properly.

    That said it sounds like he was shooting at a built up area, and clearly with people around. Guy appears to be an idiot.
    So how the hell do you tell the difference .


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    For the purpose of covering my own arse and those of my neighbours where we remove pest cats (trapping & shooting), I took a look at the claim that as companion animals, pet cats have legal protection to trespass onto other peopleís properties (see post #5).

    Words to this effect can be found on numerous cat enthusiast websites, as well as in some of the media articles about this golf club incident. But it is also mentioned on legal websites:

    Community Law
    Itís generally accepted that cats are allowed to wander on to other peopleís property and that the owner isnít responsible for any damage they do.

    Citizenís Advice Bureau / Law Society
    Cats are allowed to trespass and their owner is usually not liable for damage the cat does to neighbouring property.

    Turner Hopkins Legal - Neighbour Law Part 2
    Cats - unlike dogs, cats are not closely regulated, and are allowed to trespass. The catís owner is not usually liable for any damage made by their cat.


    So I went looking for this law, and initially ran into a heap of dead ends as the references all linked to old MPI documents that have been removed.

    So I started with the Animal Welfare Act (1999), which uses Codes of Welfare for each animal group. The one that applies to cats was first produced in 2007, but updated and replaced in 2018. All the dead end links point to the 2007 document, and I canít find that one now.

    https://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/...Companion-cats

    The Code of Welfare: Companion Cats is the legal framework that links back to the Animal Welfare Act. Itís against this code that any legal issues are judged. I havenít been able to find anything else legal-like that talks about companion cats.

    Failure to meet a minimum standard in this Code may be used as evidence to support a prosecution for an offence under the Act.

    Anyway, this code makes no reference to cats being allowed to trespass. It may have stated something along these lines in the previous 2007 version, hence the prevalent view online that cats are allowed to trespass.

    The NZ Veterinary Association says in its Responsible Companion Cat Ownership policy (2018):

    To avoid companion cats having a negative impact on other people, animals and the environment, an owner should:
    • not allow cats to stray from their property
    • ensure cats do not predate on vulnerable, native wildlife. Measures to reduce predation include the use of deterrent collars, curfews, confinement and the use of cat aviaries.
    • ensure cats do not use neighboursí yards or gardens for toileting
    So has something changed? Did they drop the permissible trespass part? The only part of the current code that talks about cats wandering says:

    It is strongly recommended that cats are able to be accurately identified in case of loss, or being held in boarding accommodation. Cats are likely to spend some of their time outside of their ownerís legal property boundary. For the purposes of control, it is necessary to be able to identify whether a cat has an owner or not.

    If any of you fellas know something about the legalities that I havenít been able to find yet, then please post it because I would like to know exactly where we stand regarding the removal of pest cats in rural areas. I am specifically interested in this business of cats being legally allowed to trespass with no owner liability, which I have not been able to identify in either the act or the code.
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    As a young fella I used to go down to foxton dump rat shooting with my .22 you had to shoot the cats before the rats would come out. Lots of cats!!One night the local cop turned up as someone had complained about me. He wasn’t sure if I was allowed to be down there shooting and said maybe I’d better just go home for tonight and come back tomorrow night....life was so much easier back then

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    I recall this article from several years ago, mainly because of the terminology: "mischievous propensity"
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-sta...ts-and-the-law
    Again though no reference back to any particular piece of legislation for this aspect. It seems unlikely with the Author's legal background that some basis didn't exist for making this claim.

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    Righto, well that’s interesting, I’ve never heard of mansuetae naturae. What I’m detecting @Puffin is that there’s been a shift in attitude towards roaming cats, as there’s been an apparent hardening of attitude since 2018. I wish I could find the 2007 Code to see if there was reference to it in there.
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    Cats found tresspassing on my farm generally have blue eyes...

    One blew over there and the other one blew over there. Thats a 22.250 for ya.

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    Cats are cunts,
    and people who think "their" cats have any right to "trespass" are also cunts.

    Pretty sure there isn't, never has been, anything in legislation to protect "pet cats"
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    well I know the area VERY well having spent my highschool years across the road from golf course.....residential properties close by...NOT an area I would suggest good place to be shooting cats,at that time the local rubbish dump was located less than km away..basically across the road towards river and maybe 500 yards down road...old cut backs into pumice cliffs gradually getting filled up.
    a dead cat is a feral cat......... and if I see feral cat morethan km away from houses and have ability to dispatch it cleanly it becomes a dead cat.

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    Pretty sure Acts as-enacted are available at nzlii.org If you can be bothered searching back.

    None of the sites you've linked are legislation. They're all policy, interpretation,

    "the law" is avail at legislation.govt.nz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyblown View Post
    Righto, well that’s interesting, I’ve never heard of mansuetae naturae. What I’m detecting @Puffin is that there’s been a shift in attitude towards roaming cats, as there’s been an apparent hardening of attitude since 2018. I wish I could find the 2007 Code to see if there was reference to it in there.
    Look up page 7 to see if your area have any bylaws @Flyblown ,that might help: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/viewer.html?pdfurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.publish.csiro .au%2Fpc%2Fpdf%2FPC16022&clen=242157

    This one is Welly. Read 3.3, it might been put in there to stop people calling every 5 minutes when a cat walks past a window. https://wellington.govt.nz/your-coun...-animals#four4
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