1080 question

I whacked a yearling two nights ago for the bbq, from where I thought was well outside an aerial 1080 drop zone. I know the drop has happened over the past month.

I just had a quick look at the DOC map and was a little dismayed to see that I shot it within the 2km buffer zone where they recommend you don't eat from. My animal was more like 1-1.5km outside the drop zone.

Obviously I don't want to take any risks in feeding something harmful to my family. The animal looked happy and healthy, grazing a clearing with hinds and fawns. What would you do?

Sensible answers please :-)

I would eat it, 1080 doesn't fck around, it drops them damn quick...I wouldn't eat the offal though.

Even outside of 1080, there are several things that can be wrong with "wild meat". Did you have a good look at the organs ? Lungs, liver etc ?

No I didn't have a good look. Was working in the dark... probably should have

Eat it. As said earlier 1080 kills them quick.if it had ingested a sub lethal dose it would be metabolised pretty quick.

I would eat it.

As ebf said, it is a good idea to do a quick check of the organs of animals you're planning to eat.

I would eat it too.
Would stear clear of feeding it to anyone preggers though, some wierd maternal outcomes in lab tests from sub lethal doses

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Originally Posted by Strummer

I whacked a yearling two nights ago for the bbq, from where I thought was well outside an aerial 1080 drop zone. I know the drop has happened over the past month.

I just had a quick look at the DOC map and was a little dismayed to see that I shot it within the 2km buffer zone where they recommend you don't eat from. My animal was more like 1-1.5km outside the drop zone.

Obviously I don't want to take any risks in feeding something harmful to my family. The animal looked happy and healthy, grazing a clearing with hinds and fawns. What would you do?

Sensible answers please :-)

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I have been asked this question a few times now

The first 15 words in your last paragraph showed us that you don’t want to take any risks when feeding your family, so don’t


Poison was laid, the animal is capable of being in the area of application

Is there a risk that the animal has some level of contamination - yes

Did you want to take a risk feeding it to your family/children -no

If the Graf boys can ever prove that contamination down at the PPM level can cause reproductive harm etc then we will be glad to have left potentially contaminated meat on the hill

i would eat it no worries.

I'd eat it too. And have done in the past.

and to add..... a few years ago after a drop in he pureora a certain well known DOC ranger was in harvesting meat for personal consumption.........do as i say not as i do.....i imagine it is a legal requirement for DOC to have the exclusion zone and period , its up to you whether or not to eat harvested meat......kinda agree with @7mmsaum tho if your that worried dont feed it to anyone ....personally i would eat it tho

If you decide not to eat it.....dont go and feed it to your dogs!

Bury it! or dispose of it in back bags at the dump.

Cheers S

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Originally Posted by Strummer

I whacked a yearling two nights ago for the bbq, from where I thought was well outside an aerial 1080 drop zone. I know the drop has happened over the past month.

I just had a quick look at the DOC map and was a little dismayed to see that I shot it within the 2km buffer zone where they recommend you don't eat from. My animal was more like 1-1.5km outside the drop zone.

Obviously I don't want to take any risks in feeding something harmful to my family. The animal looked happy and healthy, grazing a clearing with hinds and fawns. What would you do?

Sensible answers please :-)

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The 'exclusion / buffer zone' is rather academic in that a deer can run at 40kmh so 2 km is a blink. Time after the drop is far more important than distance. The exclusion for taking animals for pet food animals is 2km for goats and deer and 5km for pigs plus 4 months after a drop of two months if there has been significant rain (100mm +). Deer will travel from native forest areas out 2-3 km onto farmland to eat crops at night with ease, so the question is 'do you consider the deer has remained localised where you shot it or has it been moving back and forth to where there are baits'. What does the terrain look like - what is between the two areas?

If you decide that it is no good, what you could do is mince it and use it for Burley and tell your friends and workmates never to vote for the Green Party

Now that Burly is a good idea!

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

If you decide that it is no good, what you could do is mince it and use it for Burley and tell your friends and workmates never to vote for the Green Party

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So if it was 1080 would one just be moving the contamination from animal to fish?

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Originally Posted by DavidGunn

So if it was 1080 would one just be moving the contamination from animal to fish?

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I think that Strummer would have them caught and cracked on the head before they got to digest any burley.

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

What does the terrain look like - what is between the two areas?

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Just beech forest, no vegetation change, the line is a valley over

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I think that Strummer would have them caught and cracked on the head before they got to digest any burley.

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But but but...what about those that were not caught?...I suppose not any different to the rats and possums poisoned in the bush and washed down the streams to the sea, I guess something eats them.

It's all about assessing and managing risk.
Basically to run the remotest chance of getting a detectable amount of 1080 in your system you would need to eat 100 kg of venison from a poisoned animal in one sitting.
You probably have more chance of being poisoned by a green potato or silverbeet than the venison.

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Originally Posted by Marty Henry

It's all about assessing and managing risk.
Basically to run the remotest chance of getting a detectable amount of 1080 in your system you would need to eat 100 kg of venison from a poisoned animal in one sitting.
You probably have more chance of being poisoned by a green potato or silverbeet than the venison.

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Interesting. Where did these figures come from? Thanks

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Originally Posted by DavidGunn

But but but...what about those that were not caught?...I suppose not any different to the rats and possums poisoned in the bush and washed down the streams to the sea, I guess something eats them.

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The amount of 1080 that is potentially in the deer carcase is low- below the lethal dose for deer. Diluting it over a large area and many fish would mean that the rate would be negligible and well below a rate harmful to fish

Thanks for all the serious replies. I'm probably going to have to dump it...even though I know it's 97% likely to be safe to eat. Talked about it with the missus. With our little kids I'm not going to risk their health. Its a really crap situation to throw out a heap of prime meat...and a shame to kill a nice animal for ultimately no reason. A learning lesson for me...study the DoC control map more closely before you go. Take a photo of the map, take it with ya.

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Originally Posted by Huntfisheat

Do people kill an animal and not check the offal? Seriously? Basic meat gathering and butchering skills demand that, surely?
Anyway, no!
Time and weather are the 1080 killers. In Canterbury most of the last 1080 dumps will have been negated by the occasional extreme rain event, but I won't be hunting those areas for at least 3 months regardless. There's plenty of game around and why take the risk?

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If its well cooked, what is there to harm you (outside of the 1080 question)?

https://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/1059/direct

Update your will, write a farewell letter and eat it all to yourself...:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Strummer

Interesting. Where did these figures come from? Thanks

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Deer and other living animals except dogs metabolise sub lethal doses of 1080 quite rapidly, basically every 9 hours the amount of the poison in the body halves. So a 100 kg animal that had eaten 10 baits would have consumed enough 1080 to have a .2 mg/kg concentration in its body. It would be ill but the fatal dose is .5mg/kg so it would recover. After 9 hours the 1080 concentration in its body would have dropped to .1 and 9 hours later it would be .05 then .025, .0125, etc till after 8 days all traces would be gone.
So say your deer has eaten 10 pellets 2 hours before you shoot it which gives time for the poison to distribute around the body, it will be bloody unwell and probably grateful to you for shooting it.
You now have a dead deer with a concentration of .2 mg/kg of meat. As it's dead that concentration remains pretty constant it doesn't drop like it does in a live animal.
You eat 1 kg at a sitting (because you are a big eater and bloody hungry) so you have consumed .2 mg of 1080 which is now being distributed around your 100 kg body which gives you a body concentration of .0002 mg of 1080 or 1000th of the dose that made the deer ill and your body is happily getting rid of half of it every 9 hours.
So I'd happily eat your deer.
As to the source of these figures the attached file is a zoology paper on it and brodi. Personally I am more concerned about brodi as an environmentally persistent poison with serious potential to bioaccumulate than I am about 1080.

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Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Deer and other living animals except dogs metabolise sub lethal doses of 1080 quite rapidly, basically every 9 hours the amount of the poison in the body halves. So a 100 kg animal that had eaten 10 baits would have consumed enough 1080 to have a .2 mg/kg concentration in its body. It would be ill but the fatal dose is .5mg/kg so it would recover. After 9 hours the 1080 concentration in its body would have dropped to .1 and 9 hours later it would be .05 then .025, .0125, etc till after 8 days all traces would be gone.
So say your deer has eaten 10 pellets 2 hours before you shoot it which gives time for the poison to distribute around the body, it will be bloody unwell and probably grateful to you for shooting it.
You now have a dead deer with a concentration of .2 mg/kg of meat. As it's dead that concentration remains pretty constant it doesn't drop like it does in a live animal.
You eat 1 kg at a sitting (because you are a big eater and bloody hungry) so you have consumed .2 mg of 1080 which is now being distributed around your 100 kg body which gives you a body concentration of .0002 mg of 1080 or 1000th of the dose that made the deer ill and your body is happily getting rid of half of it every 9 hours.
So I'd happily eat your deer.
As to the source of these figures the attached file is a zoology paper on it and brodi. Personally I am more concerned about brodi as an environmentally persistent poison with serious potential to bioaccumulate than I am about 1080.

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But it pays to be aware that the 1080 concentration in the muscle of a dead deer can be a lot higher than 0.5mg/kg, as quoted in the paper you link.
And the LD50 is the amount to kill half the population, therefore half the population could have higher levels without dying.

Take it around to Charlie Easons place and get him to test it. Works at LCR Lincoln. He is always writing about how safe 1080 is - used to say ' breaks down to harmless chemicals in water' Could never describe the reaction though despite requests

If in doubt just eat Keas, we know that they don't take baits

Well....for a brief moment in time...this thread was sensible!

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Originally Posted by Strummer

Well....for a brief moment in time...this thread was sensible!

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Once you said you were going to dump the meat, even after being told it was ok to eat by several members, the thread became irrelevant anyway.

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Originally Posted by DavidGunn

Once you said you were going to dump the meat, even after being told it was ok to eat by several members, the thread became irrelevant anyway.

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The take-home (ha!) message for me from reading through the responses is that there is enough confusion to not take the risk. A real shame and a lesson for next time.

Three baits will kill a stag.
1080 sub lethal doses can be cumulative.
Read Eisler and forget the NZ bs.

Good call strummer. No deer is worth putting your own and families health at risk.

Went into PiroPiro Flats today. Gotta say lottsa tuis around the road campsite. The 1080 lovers will be chortling about its success.

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Originally Posted by Rusky

Good call strummer. No deer is worth putting your own and families health at risk.

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I agree , biff it and shoot another one ...don't feed it to the dog !.