Projectile selection is key.
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Projectile selection is key.
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'Kudu' Just a question or two, The entry hole damage seems a little excessive.
1/Did the projectile exit the animal.
2/ Did the projectile hit the ribs on the far side of the animal
3/ Was the deer standing square on to the shooter or what angle.
4/ Is there a chance the projectile hit a Twig, bit of grass, etc on the way to the animal.
5/ Confirm what we see is the entry hole
6/What load and projectiles are you using.
Its just what they look like from the old mans 223 with Winchester varmint 55gr.
He always says his 223 stuffs more meat than his 30.06 but wont change from the varmint factory load as he might have to sight in again and waste some bullets :D
Thanks for that
The Old Buggar. Sounds like me. I just got around to ditching my old redfield 4x Power after 44 years as my main battle scope.
I thought me eyes were getting fucked. Wiping the lenses with toilet paper all that time, bits of grit slowly damaging them and wearing the surface. It was like looking through snot.
I have just got back from the range sighting in his 30-06.
Put a luepold 4.5-14 power on it for him to replace the steel tube fixed 4x weaver that has had the same 20 or 30 years of cleaning with dunny paper or snot rag.
was like looking threw a coke bottle:D
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I mentioned this on here a while back. Mate used a Leupold for many year in the NZFS then his son started shooting for Doc and used it for years until one day he fell and bent the tube.
Now we all know that the Leupold lifetime warranty is pretty good but to be honest this scope was nearly through it second lifetime.
It had so much use that the alloy around the lenses on the right hand side where your arm rubbed against it had had worn quite thin plus it was bent. Leupold sent a replacement scope and a letter asking if they may keep the scope for their collection as they had no other that showed such obvious signs of hard use.
Throughout the years many scopes have come and gone among professional shooters but no company has ever been able to stand up to the quality, longevity, 'Tadpole Free', honest lifetime warranty of the Leupold Company.
I have replaced my Redfield with a Redfield only because I have had a spare one for many years
Hard to beat their warranty alright.
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Bloody good to hear someone who knows what he's on about in regards to the treble Scribe.The subject seems to surface a lot among today's up and coming hunters,can be bloody impossible to get through to many just how effective the treble is.
Keep up the good reports from back in the day eh.
Yes I hear what you say 'doinit' It seems we are doomed to have to listen to that droll, repetitive, mantra every time someone asks for advice on what calibre rifle to buy to hunt deer.
1/ You have to hit them in a certain place.. (Yeah!!!!)
2/ It is a varmint calibre.. (You can buy a Varmint Rifle in 7.62..308)
3/ I wouldn't pick it for a first rifle... (Why not, a thousand Deer Cullers have)
4/ It wont kill big deer.. 'Aye'
When the Deercullers were formed and began their huge task around 1938 the deer killing field were dominated by the venerable old 303. In 1950 the .222 Remington appeared on the scene and slowly but surely became the most popular deer killing calibre by the 60's and 70's. During this period a large number of Pigs goats and wapiti/wapiti cross animals bit the dust when they collected this deadly 50 gr bullet through the engine room.
Since the end of the 70s the 222/223 has continued to dominate the field for people who make their living by the 'gun'.
Whether they now make their living from aerial shooting now or on the ground hunting for DOC this is a calibre of choice. If you had ambition to be a professional hunter, first you would buy this relatively expensive tool that you would have to rely on entirely to provide you with sufficient tails to satisfy your Field Officer and put money in the bank. This was never an easy thing as I am sure most of the Field Officers looked upon their own shooter's a something akin to a well bred racehorse's that should always be leading the field.
First thing a young builder or young mechanic will do before he buys his tools, if he has any brains that is, is to find out what the best in the trade are using before he makes his own decision, cullers were no different
The popularity of these calibres show no sign of disappearing real soon and I will go so far as to say that there is no other calibre except the venerable old 303, that has killed as many deer, pigs and goats in NZ as the deadly .222/223. In fact I would go so far as to say none are even close. Nor will any other calibre take that crown from the trebbly's in the future as deer and pig control is increasing being devolved to those firms that specialize in the aerial spreading of toxins such as 1080 and brodifacoum.
In the desire of a few to return NZ to a time called pre Maori
Cheers Scribe,could not have put it better myself. Long live those wee pills and the great memories from that other planet eh
Yup! Just wish I seen the light regarding these calibres earlier than I did. Would have saved me some heartache and money☺
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Too true, Too true R93. I have started a few shooters on the .222/223 track and they have never looked back. I am pleased to see a steady stream of AR 15s entering the forum. One of the reasons I started this thread is because I would like them to have confidence in the calibre as a deer rifle. Without confidence you very seldom shoot well.
If they do their job, this wonderful little bullet will do its job.
have you written any hunting books? I bet you could tell some good stories. the way you write makes easy reading .cheers
I was given an old Leupold m8? on my first rifle, a Parker hale 243. Scope was more or less rooted, lenses were poked, it was covered in scratches and worn out, and had a crushed tube. Sent it back to Leupold hopeful of refurbishment and they replaced it with a new scope also. Man I was stoked at the time. Pretty good service.
Sigh now I want a .223. Another thing to try get past the missus :oh noes:
Leupold warranty? I have a basic VX1 3-9 x40 I bought s/h on my .223. No paperwork. If this scope craps out might Leupold honour the warranty or am I out of luck without orig receipts etc? It's an oldie that's for sure.
Most likely. The newer "cheaper" models I think only have a 10 year warranty now, but the gold ring versions still offer lifetime warranty. As far as I know. you don't need paperwork, I've had a couple of scopes sent back to the US and have never had an issue. One was a scope I bought there and brought home. The NZ distributors arranged all warranty stuff through Leupold in US.
I see a few guys that like to wear dive boots or bare feet in the bush.... what did the old school guys wear?
Indonesian "bullers" with drains.
Years ago I bought 3 pair of real Skellerup bullers.When the last pair blew out I bought theseAttachment 27837pieces of shit.
after 3 days wetwear(Otane/Otapakawa) I was looking for the dogshit I had sat in,then the eyelet pulled out.Also very dangerous on wet rock(greasey as a butchers "nornor")so back to "Bullers"
Hello madjon, That's a pair of high country or rock hunters set of boots if ever I saw a set. Many of the South Islanders used to do up their boots just like that. It was not so common in the north more bush hunting I suppose.
I see the horseshoes on the heels and nails on the side. Are they just nails or do you run a set of tricounis either side.
We used to go through a set of bullers in 5/6 months and set of good leather boots in 3 months. The shingle slides cut the leather out on the toes and the sides.
I and wife still wear bullers but I have to say they are not as good since they start making them in Malaysia.
The Bullers were the flavour of the day for sure.Like Scribe said some of us tried the leather boots, John Bulls,greeny coloured they were with metal loops (eyelets).
They were ok but didn't last as long as the Bullers. Horse nails like in the above pic shows but with added nails,,one in the instep plus a couple each side of the front of the boot. We also had a small hole in the instep to get rid of water,some guys put a metal eyelet there to stop any tearing.Two pairs of socks and all wrapped up with Horse bandage type putties and it was all go.Bloody hot at times during Summer but the Bullers proved effective.
Just to add,,,,,, As the rubber grip wore down it was out with the knife for a quick retread job' replace the torn out or worn nails and they were ready to go again.That's if you were a tight arse lol.
Ordered your new book today. Looking forward to reading it.
At 4pm Aorangi had cloud around it but Mangaohane and Mokai had sun on them. We had 3/4 degrees warmth coming out of the beech.It was cold .
Ploughing thru the book now. Many memories there. Great to see Ohutu Ridge again and the tiny Garry Sutton.He was a top bloke. Loved the Iron bark tent camp.Sent a message to Wayne Pratt for you.He is in Karamea and his bil was Len.Wayne had a permit to hunt on Ngamatea and nailed a few in the 500.He had one of the original Beta's either number 7 or 27 and got over 7k deer in it.I was in Taradale Park when Joe did the loop de loop. You could hear the screaming by both Joe and his passengers. Funny when he flew us into the Kaimanawas and told him about it.The Mangatera had big deer but the best way was to whistle down there from Ruahine and on the left hand side were some lovely clearings. Only place I have ever seen deer go bug eyed and wide eyed as you appeared out of the blue.The dwarf rates it at 9.5/10 because it does not mention him other than his alter ego on pg 209.Got smashed many a time walking up from Ironbark to Otukota via the river even when it was too high.A fantastic contribution to the NZ hunting history.:thumbsup: