Thread: 223 on deer

oih I resemble that remark.
I dont believe there are many hunting books written before 2000 that I havent read at least twice.... cut my teeth on Holden,Burdon,Orman and Co......
I learnt to shoot using single shot 410.....my 22 was remington single shot and man did that account for a LOT of animals over the years.... Ive never owned a semi,Ive inherited a semi shotgun now....but just as happy to take the break open
I will probably get flammed for typing this,but Im big enough and definately ugly enough to take it on the chin.....
In my opinion,it was the wholesale uptake of semi 223s that gave it bad reputation on deer sized animals......some folks had got into the spray n pray type of shooting..... when folks use ANY type of 222/223/22hp savage/22-250 and take time to get in close,aim properly and fire single round into boiler room or nervous sytem...animals fall over
when you KNOW you have 5-10-15-30 more bangs at your disposal just by another yank on trigger,that first shot CAN BE RUSHED,well thats what Ive seen over the years....I KNOW for myself,when using single shot break open,my shot to kill ratio has ALWAYS been very very high...as soon as there was more in mag, it went up.
Ive not buggered up a deer with 223 yet...cause I make plurry sure shot is going to do bizo or just dont squeaze off...my life experience has taught me I will only get one good shot,so make it count.
there are a lot of folks on this forum I would dearly love to sit around fire with.
cold beverage in hand,moreporks calling in back ground,dog curled up asleep by my feet,campoven feed filling puku to excess.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

oih I resemble that remark.
I dont believe there are many hunting books written before 2000 that I havent read at least twice.... cut my teeth on Holden,Burdon,Orman and Co......
I learnt to shoot using single shot 410.....my 22 was remington single shot and man did that account for a LOT of animals over the years.... Ive never owned a semi,Ive inherited a semi shotgun now....but just as happy to take the break open
I will probably get flammed for typing this,but Im big enough and definately ugly enough to take it on the chin.....
In my opinion,it was the wholesale uptake of semi 223s that gave it bad reputation on deer sized animals......some folks had got into the spray n pray type of shooting..... when folks use ANY type of 222/223/22hp savage/22-250 and take time to get in close,aim properly and fire single round into boiler room or nervous sytem...animals fall over
when you KNOW you have 5-10-15-30 more bangs at your disposal just by another yank on trigger,that first shot CAN BE RUSHED,well thats what Ive seen over the years....I KNOW for myself,when using single shot break open,my shot to kill ratio has ALWAYS been very very high...as soon as there was more in mag, it went up.
Ive not buggered up a deer with 223 yet...cause I make plurry sure shot is going to do bizo or just dont squeaze off...my life experience has taught me I will only get one good shot,so make it count.
there are a lot of folks on this forum I would dearly love to sit around fire with.
cold beverage in hand,moreporks calling in back ground,dog curled up asleep by my feet,campoven feed filling puku to excess.

Ha'ha'ha your a hard case Duck,good write up,fare enough although I think yi may have just picked it up a tad the wrong way.
The Anywhere in the eye lad saying has been around for ever,was told to myself at the old age of 13yrs. My look up to hunter at the time was a culler and friend of my old mans. Many yrs on me myself and I would have used that old saying a lot and mostly to younger dudes keen to listen and maybe pick up on good hints in regards to hunting etc. And even tiday I still meet a few of those same guys who I used to help and they still to this day give me shit about how to use a small pill properly,followed by anywhere in the eye lad,blah,bla hard cases.
I'll bet that ol saying will be still goin when I'm long gone eh.
And to be honest it says it how it is,,,and it sure as hell works.

Me old dad manys manys yrs ago had a single shot 22 remmington.Fk could he shoot with it,deadly as.Even head shot ducks on the water at 70 80 yds with open sigths.

to look at it ANOTHER way...when the trebly fist hit our hunting scene...it was an amazingly light rifle that was incredibly accurate compared to MOST other rifles around at the time....so folks who used them,learnt to pick shots or they ended up with wounded game and chucked rifle away in discust.... the chapter 222 the controversial one...penned by Philip Holden all those years ago still hold merit today...NOTHING has changed with animals,we have faster twist barrels allowing heavier projectiles which MIGHT give SLIGHTLY more margin for error...but its slightly....
the folks who used them and loved them ,got in close and picked the shot.....that much HASNT changed.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

to look at it ANOTHER way...when the trebly fist hit our hunting scene...it was an amazingly light rifle that was incredibly accurate compared to MOST other rifles around at the time....so folks who used them,learnt to pick shots or they ended up with wounded game and chucked rifle away in discust.... the chapter 222 the controversial one...penned by Philip Holden all those years ago still hold merit today...NOTHING has changed with animals,we have faster twist barrels allowing heavier projectiles which MIGHT give SLIGHTLY more margin for error...but its slightly....
the folks who used them and loved them ,got in close and picked the shot.....that much HASNT changed.

The diminutive culler in the NW Ruahines called Garry Sutton used to use a trebly but was forced to use a 270 because he said he lost too many deer and they got paid for by tails. Cullers in thne Ruahines were not given the choice of the 243. Either the 222, 270 or 308. Jim Warrren bought his own ammo to use a 243. Chris Satherley used a 222 and his sad tale of shooting himself in the foot is detailed in Holdens book. The distance Satherley had to crawl is hard to imagine if you have never been over the track. As Holden said it was a testament to his fitness.

Originally Posted by TeRei

The diminutive culler in the NW Ruahines called Garry Sutton used to use a trebly but was forced to use a 270 because he said he lost too many deer and they got paid for by tails. Cullers in thne Ruahines were not given the choice of the 243. Either the 222, 270 or 308. Jim Warrren bought his own ammo to use a 243. Chris Satherley used a 222 and his sad tale of shooting himself in the foot is detailed in Holdens book. The distance Satherley had to crawl is hard to imagine if you have never been over the track. As Holden said it was a testament to his fitness.

@TeRei do you remember which book that’s in ?

Originally Posted by Nathan F

@TeRei do you remember which book that’s in ?

My error; Hunters and the Hunted by Graeme Sturgeon 'CHPT 2 pgs 21-24.

Originally Posted by TeRei

My error; Hunters and the Hunted by Graeme Sturgeon 'CHPT 2 pgs 21-24.

Thank you will have to find a copy

This thread was dropping back a bit. .223 still works.

Originally Posted by gimp

This thread was dropping back a bit. .223 still works.

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Nice. Fat. Is that a girl one? That rock looks like a wall in the cafe after a gangster shoot out.

A reasonably aged nanny. Aka 15kg of shoulders, ribs, shanks backsteaks and boned out hindquarters. Neck meat was a bit past it

I think @gimp means the neck came ready minced

With all this talk about .223 it makes me wonder, has anyone got any observations about differences (if any) in performance between .223 and 5.56x45?

Originally Posted by Ben Waimata

With all this talk about .223 it makes me wonder, has anyone got any observations about differences (if any) in performance between .223 and 5.56x45?

Greetings Ben,
In a bolt action with handloads probably nothing at all. Almost the same case but with higher pressure in the 5.56mm. The tighter .223 chamber gives higher pressure with 5.56 ammunition and is not advisable for use.
GPM.

@Tahr where did you source your aftermarket T3 mag from?