Thread: 223 on deer

Originally Posted by Ground Control

A Chronograph is on the wish list , maybe a self funded Christmas present
The issue with these projectiles is that they are really long ( copper monolithic) and at the recommended seating depth they protrude down into the case quite a bit .
I knew when I started that 2206H wasn’t probably going to be the right powder , but it is what I have on hand at the moment.
The good news though is that my little test yesterday has shown that they will shoot in my rifle/ barrel .
A couple of guys that I’ve been in contact with who use these say that they up the .223 effectiveness by quite a margin on bigger / heavier Pigs etc and that’s what I’m chasing.

Fair enough. Just out of interest put the caliper's on the bullet for OAL . I will measure mine later and report back.

Originally Posted by Ground Control

A Chronograph is on the wish list , maybe a self funded Christmas present
The issue with these projectiles is that they are really long ( copper monolithic) and at the recommended seating depth they protrude down into the case quite a bit .
I knew when I started that 2206H wasn’t probably going to be the right powder , but it is what I have on hand at the moment.
The good news though is that my little test yesterday has shown that they will shoot in my rifle/ barrel .
A couple of guys that I’ve been in contact with who use these say that they up the .223 effectiveness by quite a margin on bigger / heavier Pigs etc and that’s what I’m chasing.

well I used 24.5grns of same AR2206h for many years with 50-55grn projectiles...still do,have upped it to 25.1grn with a barnes 50grn ttsx with good results on deer n pigs...
the terminal result is like a mildly loaded .243 or .270 using cup n core projectiles but the damage is done in reverse order eg lots damage near side,little hole farside.

Originally Posted by Ground Control

A Chronograph is on the wish list , maybe a self funded Christmas present
The issue with these projectiles is that they are really long ( copper monolithic) and at the recommended seating depth they protrude down into the case quite a bit .
I knew when I started that 2206H wasn’t probably going to be the right powder , but it is what I have on hand at the moment.
The good news though is that my little test yesterday has shown that they will shoot in my rifle/ barrel .
A couple of guys that I’ve been in contact with who use these say that they up the .223 effectiveness by quite a margin on bigger / heavier Pigs etc and that’s what I’m chasing.

Out of my small experience there is a big difference in case capacity my staline brass is a compressed load at 25grn of 2206h but adi you can fit 27 grn of 2206h

Same book max for a 60gn pill. Be fine with a 57gn pill. Just work up your load.

Here is link to a podcast with the owner/ developer of Outer Edge projectiles .
Hope the link works for anyone that might be interested .


https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcas...=1000531075357

Just measured up some projectiles.
Outer Edge 57gn = 23.0mm
Hornady 60gn Vmax = 22.1mm

But a lot of the difference is in the Ogive , I don’t have a way of measuring the Ogive but for example.
When measuring cartridge OAL to the lands in my rifle the length is .

Outer Edge 57gn = 58.42mm
Hornady Vmax 60gn = 59.62mm
The Vmax is seated out further before it touches the lands , so there is an immediate increase in available space in the case , that plus the fact that the Outer Edge is 0.9mm longer to begin with and that it needs a bigger jump to the lands all contributes to 2206H not being the best choice.
Outer Edge has recommended load data for their projectiles and I can see now why their advice is for BM2 .

20 odd goats 3 spikers and 16 pigs for the .223 yesterday arvo on a sweap of the new pine trees over the back one 70pound sow shot in the crease with the 65gk made it all of 15 yards everything else was head shot

Absolute little laser and these 65 game kings hold their own when needed to put one threw the vitals fountains of blood from the pork

Gees mate leave some for me, all in an afternoon. Good shooting also like the GKs.

All i managed to do with my 223 over the long weekend was "educate " a couple of stags

77 Sierra TMK (last night)

325 yards, chest.


220 yds, neck.

Originally Posted by Tahr

77 Sierra TMK (last night)

325 yards, chest.
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220 yds, neck.
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good on ya thats xmas BBQ sorted -

@Tahr you running those 77s at standard tikka mag length? any issues?

Originally Posted by drunk_mexican

@Tahr you running those 77s at standard tikka mag length? any issues?

Yes. Just a snug fit. No problems at all. 2900fps standard 1:8 twist barrel

Originally Posted by Tahr

Yes. Just a snug fit. No problems at all. 2900fps standard 1:8 twist barrel

Thats hoofing it, good stuff.
How would you compare the 77 tmks vs the 69 targex on fallow?

Originally Posted by drunk_mexican

Thats hoofing it, good stuff.
How would you compare the 77 tmks vs the 69 targex on fallow?

Using 2206H. The 77TMK are next level but nothing wrong with the Targex on Fallow or Reds.