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Hi guys I'm after a new stalking/medium range rifle . I really like the look and feel of the tikka t3 super lite but I can't decide on 300 wm or 7mm Rem . I will be shooting sambar deer and fallow deer . Which case would you get and why.
Cheers Tall Timber
For sambar you would probably want to go 300 win mag. Which ever one you get replace the recoil pad with a limbsaver.
I would go 300 win mag. 30 cal is better than 7mm in my opinion
I suspect that a 300 winmag will make a hell of a mess of a fallow deer.
Nah big 180grain bullets will just punch a hole straight through. Hollow point 130s are another thing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
7mm Rem mag will also make a mess with light HP projectiles.
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Originally Posted by jim160
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Originally Posted by ARdave
Either or for the Sambar.. for the fallow i invest in rifle number two:thumbsup:
Having had both - id recommend the 7 due to comfort of use
7mm Mag will do the business, less recoil than 300mag, factory ammo for both is around the same for both with 7mm being slightly cheaper. Reloading would be no difference in cost but 30 cal has larger range of projectiles however seating depths for heavier pills in 30 cal can be an issue. How much mess a bullet makes depends on the selected pill at a given distance.
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The 7mm with a 150 grain bullet has a sectional density of .266, a .30 cal. with a 180 grain bullet has a sectional density of .271. The Ballistic coefficients are basically the same. In other words these bullets will penetrate about the same and have about the same trajectory if the same type of bullet is used and they start out with the same velocity. The .30 cal. is a bigger diameter and is heavier, which means it will have a little more punch. The 160 grain 7mm(sec. density .283) is even higher than the 180 .30 cal. which means that for a given bullet and velocity will out penetrate the 180 grain .30 cal. The .300 starts to pull away a little in terms of power when you step up to a 200 grain bullet. The 7mm Rem. Mag. with a good 160 grain bullet and the .300 Win. Mag. with a good 180 grain bullet can both be pushed to slightly more than 3000 fps and are so close in performance that I doubt anything you shoot with either will ever know the difference.
Thanks guys has anyone used the hornady super performance ammo in 7mm they say 200 fps faster. Dose that sound right
Possibly, because most 7mm rem mag factory ammo is loaded down for some reason. What velocity are they quoting? I used to get 3070fps with handloaded berger 168gr out of my 26" barrel 7 rem mag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tall timber
Fast flat trajectory for the 7mm and 162 AMAX excellent at distance. I use Barnes 140 ttsx for the close stuff hits like a hammer the AMAX is a lot more frangible and accurate you use them accordingly to their characteristics. ( with a similar POI) makes things super easy and manageable. A suppressor helps accuracy also being more manageable also.
Second rifle is 223 for practice ( similar trajectory and cheap rounds like hornady sp 55's ) also good for the fallow.
My mate Grant has a 300 win mag and we went to the range and he cooked off thirty or rounds said from about 25 shots onwards said it was like getting his shoulder dropped on concrete each shot and accuracy was similarly affected. He's bought a 6.5 x55 swede now for his target stuff and is much happier the 300 is his fave tho so it's horses for courses but get something you will use and be comfortable with.
With the tikka t3 the barrels are a bit light and are like hot frying pans after 3 shots so if shooting rounds at the range you need to allow to cool or get a rifle with a heavier contour barrel. Supressors speed up the the heating process by the way. So yeah always a trade off...
I wouldn't want to use a 162 amax on a sambar though. I would go for the 160 accubond or the Barnes long range version.
Hornady are saying between 3070 and 3200 with the 162 g sstQuote:
Originally Posted by stug
3200 seems high for a 162.
Yeah 154sst Superformance 26 inch barrel I was getting 3150.
Now shoot the amax
Do NOT go 300wm on the super lite, i cannot stress this enough, i have the 300 in lite and it can only string 3 round every 30 minutes, barrel heats up like a fire. If youll be needing more than 3 shots 300 WM in lite wouldnt work either, once you cook a barrel she is dam near useless. Just my two cents,
I had a savage 300wm stainless hunter that was very accurate (for a hunter). Easy 1" at 100m with the right ammo and less with hand loads. After the first 5 shots it really started to heat up and groups got bigger but not by much. Can't see 7mm being much different. You would be lucky to fire more than 3 shots in a string while hunting anyway. Although I haven't had a RM yet I bet 74 grains of 2209 pushing a 150grain pill in 300wm at 3200fps against 74 grains of AR2225 pushing a 140grain pill in 7mmRM at 3100 would be similar in the heat/recoil area.
Be aware the T3 mag is short for those cartridges so they cannot be loaded to their full potential and still fit the magazine.
I have a T3 300wm that shoot really well. I have fitted a laminated stock and limb saver. It now weighs 8.2lbs ready to go and is comfortable to shoot (although I wouldn't want to spend the day on the range with it).
I have 2 loads for it, a long range single feed load and a mag fit close range (<300m) load.
Works for me.
If you know what species you will be hunting on a particular trip then I am sure you could get a load to suit.
30 Cal has a wider selection of projectiles if you are a hand loader.
Other wise the deer will not notice the difference.
Load some or get someone on here or local to develop some lightweight 125/130gr loads for Fallow.
300 Win gets my vote.
Good luck.
+1 for the mag limits on T3's, you'll end up single feeding bullets in order to get the optimal seating depth. I would also not recommend either option in any superlite rifle. Apart from the barrel heat up - which will be really bad with a suppressor - you are likely to find shooting accurate groups is very challenging due recoil in a very light weight rifle. For this reason I'd steer towards the 7mmRM in a lighter rifle set up (less recoil). But better option would be a rifle with a heavier barrel contour (#3 or more) and a better stock (like B&C or HSPrecision or a CF one). You want a very stable platform for accuracy and dealing with recoil. The standard Tikka stocks are not the best in that regard. 30 cal is going to be better for Samba so the other option you should consider in 300wsm - recoil is closer to 7mmRM and in 165 - 180 gn 30cal pills the performance is pretty much same as 300wm. The short action also allows translates a shorter (& lighter if u want) rifle for a 23 - 24 in barrel.
A 300 win mag with 178/208 Amax is user friendly in a heavier platform when unbraked and non suppressed
The rem mag is fine in a Finnlight or ultralight.
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Rate them, granted my mate and I havent put it through anything as yet, but was bloody accurate and was highly recommended by a number of people.
Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm planning on changing the stock to a manners I think so that will add a lite bit of weight . I'm planning on making a trip to NZ from over here in OZ one day , what's the go with bringing ammo on the plane or would I just buy factory ammo when I get there. Cheers
Thanks dans but it will just be for hunting so I shouldn't cook the barrel .
Most airlines allow 5kg of ammo. You'll need to check with the airlines first. Make sure the headstamp on the brass matches the calibre on the rifle, have it in a proper ammo case (check with airline as to what they allow). Don't tell them it is handloaded.