Thread: Ballots. Rigged or not

Originally Posted by sometimes

The fish and game ballots are not rigged but it seems the same lucky people that some how win it year after year at same pond year after year

What are the chances of that in a fair system?

It sounds like we have just found our Pauline Hanson of the West Coast and we calling for foundation members of NZ One Nation here! This discussion is a bit xenophobic and should really be about how to provide more and better hunting experiences for all hunters, rather than banning west island hunter and other non resident hunters who actually do spend a fair bit of money to hunt here when then come to NZ through car hire, food accomadation, plane tickets most of which goes to local businesses and GST to Wellington.

Better game animal management, GAC is a good start, more money going back into managing populations etc. Resident and non resident licensed, pointed ballots to increase the chance of getting a tag etc. The issues you bring up have been addressed in many other countries. The US and canada do a pretty good job on these. The answers are not going to be palatable to guys who have good access to animals and country at there back door 12 months of the year though because you may well have to give up something as more locals want to hunt and have a better hunting experience.

Originally Posted by Dicko

It sounds like we have just found our Pauline Hanson of the West Coast and we calling for foundation members of NZ One Nation here! This discussion is a bit xenophobic and should really be about how to provide more and better hunting experiences for all hunters, rather than banning west island hunter and other non resident hunters who actually do spend a fair bit of money to hunt here when then come to NZ through car hire, food accomadation, plane tickets most of which goes to local businesses and GST to Wellington.

Better game animal management, GAC is a good start, more money going back into managing populations etc. Resident and non resident licensed, pointed ballots to increase the chance of getting a tag etc. The issues you bring up have been addressed in many other countries. The US and canada do a pretty good job on these. The answers are not going to be palatable to guys who have good access to animals and country at there back door 12 months of the year though because you may well have to give up something as more locals want to hunt and have a better hunting experience.

You seem to have complete faith in the game council which to me is a worry.
Game management? You are deluded.
It will only ever happen on private land or a unique herd. Not red deer thar or Chamois.

Plane tickets, rental cars and food go to big business and not into the community like guide and accomodation fees will.

Don't really care what Canada and USA do as they make huge money out of non resident tags. We never will. You can't just rock up and hunt there like a non resident can here.

Had a mate bid 30k US on an elk tag this week and got out bid.
US economy is too strong.
Come to NZ and hunt by all means but not for fucking free and at the expense of me or my mate up the road. We deserve some priority to go hunt where we live.

Originally Posted by Dicko

It sounds like we have just found our Pauline Hanson of the West Coast and we calling for foundation members of NZ One Nation here! This discussion is a bit xenophobic and should really be about how to provide more and better hunting experiences for all hunters, rather than banning west island hunter and other non resident hunters who actually do spend a fair bit of money to hunt here when then come to NZ through car hire, food accomadation, plane tickets most of which goes to local businesses and GST to Wellington.

Better game animal management, GAC is a good start, more money going back into managing populations etc. Resident and non resident licensed, pointed ballots to increase the chance of getting a tag etc. The issues you bring up have been addressed in many other countries. The US and canada do a pretty good job on these. The answers are not going to be palatable to guys who have good access to animals and country at there back door 12 months of the year though because you may well have to give up something as more locals want to hunt and have a better hunting experience.

No ones talking about banning offshore hunters, they should be able to come and go freely and do what they want on PRIVATE land.

As for ballots and other access to NZ PUBLIC land, paid for and administered out of the public purse ( MY taxes ), no....piss off.

I sure as hell don't get reciprocal rights at your place, can't even bring my own firearms without a mountain of paperwork, and as for travelling interstate, that's the icing on a shit sandwich.

B