Chronic Wasting Disease Threat to NZ(CWD)

Hey Guys,

Anyone heard about CWD overseas? This disease is very serious, should it enter NZ and get established then hunting as we all know it will be forever changed….. highly infectious deer dishes, with no cure and they always die. Brain disease that can survive in the ground for 20years. And the only method to clean all hunting gear is full soak in bleach for 5min.

I’m really concerned, whilst MPI don’t allow live deer, semen, velvet and other possibly urine based scent into NZ. Visitors can declare and just enter the country. The protein called a prion can bind to metal, clothing and boots, being resistant to heat, steam and most common disentfectants which means it’s just a matter of time before it enters NZ.

Probably must be low given it’s. Not here, yet with it rampant through States. Hence the number of overseas hunters and NZs returning from CWD areas keeps increasing. And so does the risk of it getting through.

I’ll upload links and files to ensure fact based information is getting out. Without the public being aware, then MPI will not address the lack of detailed cleaning information currently listed on their website regarding CWD.

I love hunting, been doing it for 25years and want all NZs to keep enjoying this recreation and way of life long after I am gone….

Predominant in the US. Seasonal hunting and they feed out for their deer with corn etc. A very good possibility it was introduced by human interaction perhaps given genetic modification of crops is rampant there. Just a theory.

Where ever anything has turned to shit on this planet theres a human involved

First post eh

Sure the "conservationists" would love an opportunity to "have to ban" hunting due to human risk and be "forced" to spend more money (some of it into their pockets, some of it into their friends) on poison drops.

Its already here in humans about one hundred thousand have it :oh noes:
More chance of getting foot and mouth here

If you are a hunter or tramper entering New Zealand from overseas:

thoroughly clean all tramping, hunting and camping equipment, including footwear
purchase equipment in New Zealand or get a hunting guide to supply the equipment you need
don't use urine based deer attractants – they are an illegal import
declare hunting and outdoor equipment on your arrival card
declare any trophies or skins coming into New Zealand.
Our biosecurity border staff are serious about preventing pests and disease from entering New Zealand. If you bring in dirty tramping and hunting gear or illegal imports you are likely to experience lengthy delays at the border, cleaning costs and infringement fines. Save yourself the hassle!

so looks like some good info out there

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Originally Posted by BSA

Predominant in the US. Seasonal hunting and they feed out for their deer with corn etc. A very good possibility it was introduced by human interaction perhaps given genetic modification of crops is rampant there. Just a theory.

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Prion based disease is a well known thing. we have mad cow, kuru disease, scrapie. all of which have been documented from times when genetic engineering meant you were good with your hands like your dad. Don't spread that BS here.

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Originally Posted by BSA

Predominant in the US. Seasonal hunting and they feed out for their deer with corn etc. A very good possibility it was introduced by human interaction perhaps given genetic modification of crops is rampant there. Just a theory.

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Yes that is a conspiracy theory.


This is the scientific understanding:
Originally there was scrapie which affected sheep.

But in the UK cows were fed extra protein including from sheep carcases. Then the treatment process for animal feeds was changed and allowed more infectivity through. Plus they used down cow carcasses going into the feed ... Sounds obvious in hindsight. So the scrapie prion adapted to cows and became mad cow disease (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) which exploded in UK cattle due to amplification from feeding dead cows to live ones.

A few cases were transmitted to humans and called variant CJD ( affects people a bit differently that the usual Creutzfeld Jakob Disease which occurs spontaneously about 1: million per year and mostly in people over 70. It was very rate but it could be transmitted by blood transfusion.

They changed the cattle feedcprocess somehow and put the kibosh on BSE. Over the last 20 yr cases of vCJD in humans have fallen away to almost zero. Thats why we are allowing people whove lived in the UK to donate blood again.

Anyone whod like references for this info, send me a PM.

Im surprised if any real deer urine could be imported into NZ but stranger stuff has happened. ( like raw pork )

Thanks new person @HuntaClimbsHigh
And @Barrythehunter . CWD would be real bad for hunting in NZ as control would make 1080 for TB look namby pamby by comparison.

Sorry forgot to mention that infectivityvis very high in specific organs like brain and spinal cof but very low in meat and utine.

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Originally Posted by Bagheera

Yes that is a conspiracy theory.


This is the scientific understanding:
Originally there was scrapie which affected sheep.

But in the UK cows were fed extra protein including from sheep carcases. Then the treatment process for animal feeds was changed and allowed more infectivity through. Plus they used down cow carcasses going into the feed ... Sounds obvious in hindsight. So the scrapie prion adapted to cows and became mad cow disease (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) which exploded in UK cattle due to amplification from feeding dead cows to live ones.

A few cases were transmitted to humans and called variant CJD ( affects people a bit differently that the usual Creutzfeld Jakob Disease which occurs spontaneously about 1: million per year and mostly in people over 70. It was very rate but it could be transmitted by blood transfusion.

They changed the cattle feedcprocess somehow and put the kibosh on BSE. Over the last 20 yr cases of vCJD in humans have fallen away to almost zero. Thats why we are allowing people whove lived in the UK to donate blood again.

Anyone whod like references for this info, send me a PM.

Im surprised if any real deer urine could be imported into NZ but stranger stuff has happened. ( like raw pork )

Thanks new person @HuntaClimbsHigh
And @Barrythehunter . CWD would be real bad for hunting in NZ as control would make 1080 for TB look namby pamby by comparison.

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Thanks for the great reply. Just found out recently that I can give blood now having been born and raised over there until 2001 when I left for good.

Interesting. Eating CWD infected venison could be fatal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...l_article_link

I think my wallet has cwd

Scare tactics so no need to worry .if it arrives the power that runs the country bought it here

Good podcast on the topic.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/02g...RFGmo1t55pJlkg

One of the interesting points in here is that no Human infection has been documented as yet from infected deer meat, in spite of probably alot of consumption. I wouldn't risk it, but interesting none the less.

We also have a testing programme in NZ deer farms where a certain number of animals exhibiting "wasting" symptoms are euthanized and brain tissue harvested for testing every year. This is conducted by the MPI Biosecurity team I believe.

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Originally Posted by kawekakid

Scare tactics so no need to worry .if it arrives the power that runs the country bought it here

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*cough* twigntweed *cough*

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Originally Posted by LMcNab

Good podcast on the topic.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/02g...RFGmo1t55pJlkg

One of the interesting points in here is that no Human infection has been documented as yet from infected deer meat, in spite of probably alot of consumption. I wouldn't risk it, but interesting none the less.

We also have a testing programme in NZ deer farms where a certain number of animals exhibiting "wasting" symptoms are euthanized and brain tissue harvested for testing every year. This is conducted by the MPI Biosecurity team I believe.

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That is 5 years old. What I posted is new information.

@Oldbloke. “What I posted is new information”. The author of that article also makes the statements along the lines of “nothing to see here” and “take these findings with a large grain of salt, probably on my next deer steak”.
Worry about CWD if/when it gets established and is proven to be transferable to humans. Most people have got enough shit to worry about as it is.

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Originally Posted by Oldbloke

That is 5 years old. What I posted is new information.

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What you posted is a new article containing a renewed twist on old speculation. There is no new information. Its right there in the article, Quote "Bottom Line: Not Much News Here"
But hey, if you want to fret about it, go ahead. I'll trust the system that had kept Foot and Mouth, Mad Cow and countless other animal diseases out and wait for it to actually be a problem here.

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Originally Posted by LMcNab

What you posted is a new article containing a renewed twist on old speculation. There is no new information. Its right there in the article, Quote "Bottom Line: Not Much News Here"
But hey, if you want to fret about it, go ahead. I'll trust the system that had kept Foot and Mouth, Mad Cow and countless other animal diseases out and wait for it to actually be a problem here.

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Trouble is, the system is getting more and more broken every day. So we need to be aware of the risks.

Well, I'm in AU. So don't care. Just thought I would share that info.

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Originally Posted by STC

Sure the "conservationists" would love an opportunity to "have to ban" hunting due to human risk and be "forced" to spend more money (some of it into their pockets, some of it into their friends) on poison drops.

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reckon you have it backwards. I know a fair number of conservationists and they all want dead deer. They like hunting and hunters. Some even hunt themselves both for meat and happy bush.

Anyway, CWD here is just a matter of time. Some hunter or farmer from the USA will leak it here by accident, or saying they cleaned their boots or kit when they didn't. Everywhere in the US by now.

Seen what it does to a human brain?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...sting-disease/

Possible link to first human deaths posted a few days back.

"Now, an article published in Volume 102 of the journal Neurology suggests a possible link to human illness. The article states that a “72-year-old man with a history of consuming meat from a CWD-infected deer population” died in 2022 after a rapid onset of uncharacteristic aggression and confusion. A friend of his, who also was known to consume meat from the same infected population of deer, has also recently died of confirmed Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD)."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientist...185101901.html

But it's not here yet so useless worrying until the day it does.

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Originally Posted by Remote

reckon you have it backwards. I know a fair number of conservationists and they all want dead deer. They like hunting and hunters. Some even hunt themselves both for meat and happy bush.

Anyway, CWD here is just a matter of time. Some hunter or farmer from the USA will leak it here by accident, or saying they cleaned their boots or kit when they didn't. Everywhere in the US by now.

Seen what it does to a human brain?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...sting-disease/

Possible link to first human deaths posted a few days back.

"Now, an article published in Volume 102 of the journal Neurology suggests a possible link to human illness. The article states that a “72-year-old man with a history of consuming meat from a CWD-infected deer population” died in 2022 after a rapid onset of uncharacteristic aggression and confusion. A friend of his, who also was known to consume meat from the same infected population of deer, has also recently died of confirmed Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD)."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientist...185101901.html

But it's not here yet so useless worrying until the day it does.

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True. many conservationists at the "ground level" (i.e. the ones doing the actual work) are pro hunting, and hunt themselves. As a matter of fact most people are pro hunting (if it is done in a sensible and safe matter)

"conservationist" organizations however (i.e. socialist, ideologue vandals larping as conservationists) claim that bullets kill kea, want to eradicate wapiti and publicly insult hunters among other things

Argh munged up my links. Here you go

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...sting-disease/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientist...185101901.html