Thread: Chronic Wasting Disease Threat to NZ(CWD)

Hey Guys,

Anyone heard about CWD overseas? This disease is very serious, should it enter NZ and get established then hunting as we all know it will be forever changed….. highly infectious deer dishes, with no cure and they always die. Brain disease that can survive in the ground for 20years. And the only method to clean all hunting gear is full soak in bleach for 5min.

I’m really concerned, whilst MPI don’t allow live deer, semen, velvet and other possibly urine based scent into NZ. Visitors can declare and just enter the country. The protein called a prion can bind to metal, clothing and boots, being resistant to heat, steam and most common disentfectants which means it’s just a matter of time before it enters NZ.

Probably must be low given it’s. Not here, yet with it rampant through States. Hence the number of overseas hunters and NZs returning from CWD areas keeps increasing. And so does the risk of it getting through.

I’ll upload links and files to ensure fact based information is getting out. Without the public being aware, then MPI will not address the lack of detailed cleaning information currently listed on their website regarding CWD.

I love hunting, been doing it for 25years and want all NZs to keep enjoying this recreation and way of life long after I am gone….

Predominant in the US. Seasonal hunting and they feed out for their deer with corn etc. A very good possibility it was introduced by human interaction perhaps given genetic modification of crops is rampant there. Just a theory.

Originally Posted by BSA

Predominant in the US. Seasonal hunting and they feed out for their deer with corn etc. A very good possibility it was introduced by human interaction perhaps given genetic modification of crops is rampant there. Just a theory.

Prion based disease is a well known thing. we have mad cow, kuru disease, scrapie. all of which have been documented from times when genetic engineering meant you were good with your hands like your dad. Don't spread that BS here.

Where ever anything has turned to shit on this planet theres a human involved

First post eh

Sure the "conservationists" would love an opportunity to "have to ban" hunting due to human risk and be "forced" to spend more money (some of it into their pockets, some of it into their friends) on poison drops.

Originally Posted by STC

Sure the "conservationists" would love an opportunity to "have to ban" hunting due to human risk and be "forced" to spend more money (some of it into their pockets, some of it into their friends) on poison drops.

reckon you have it backwards. I know a fair number of conservationists and they all want dead deer. They like hunting and hunters. Some even hunt themselves both for meat and happy bush.

Anyway, CWD here is just a matter of time. Some hunter or farmer from the USA will leak it here by accident, or saying they cleaned their boots or kit when they didn't. Everywhere in the US by now.

Seen what it does to a human brain?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...sting-disease/

Possible link to first human deaths posted a few days back.

"Now, an article published in Volume 102 of the journal Neurology suggests a possible link to human illness. The article states that a “72-year-old man with a history of consuming meat from a CWD-infected deer population” died in 2022 after a rapid onset of uncharacteristic aggression and confusion. A friend of his, who also was known to consume meat from the same infected population of deer, has also recently died of confirmed Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD)."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientist...185101901.html

But it's not here yet so useless worrying until the day it does.

Originally Posted by Remote

reckon you have it backwards. I know a fair number of conservationists and they all want dead deer. They like hunting and hunters. Some even hunt themselves both for meat and happy bush.

Anyway, CWD here is just a matter of time. Some hunter or farmer from the USA will leak it here by accident, or saying they cleaned their boots or kit when they didn't. Everywhere in the US by now.

Seen what it does to a human brain?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...sting-disease/

Possible link to first human deaths posted a few days back.

"Now, an article published in Volume 102 of the journal Neurology suggests a possible link to human illness. The article states that a “72-year-old man with a history of consuming meat from a CWD-infected deer population” died in 2022 after a rapid onset of uncharacteristic aggression and confusion. A friend of his, who also was known to consume meat from the same infected population of deer, has also recently died of confirmed Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD)."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientist...185101901.html

But it's not here yet so useless worrying until the day it does.

True. many conservationists at the "ground level" (i.e. the ones doing the actual work) are pro hunting, and hunt themselves. As a matter of fact most people are pro hunting (if it is done in a sensible and safe matter)

"conservationist" organizations however (i.e. socialist, ideologue vandals larping as conservationists) claim that bullets kill kea, want to eradicate wapiti and publicly insult hunters among other things

Argh munged up my links. Here you go

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...sting-disease/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientist...185101901.html

Its already here in humans about one hundred thousand have it
More chance of getting foot and mouth here

If you are a hunter or tramper entering New Zealand from overseas:

thoroughly clean all tramping, hunting and camping equipment, including footwear
purchase equipment in New Zealand or get a hunting guide to supply the equipment you need
don't use urine based deer attractants – they are an illegal import
declare hunting and outdoor equipment on your arrival card
declare any trophies or skins coming into New Zealand.
Our biosecurity border staff are serious about preventing pests and disease from entering New Zealand. If you bring in dirty tramping and hunting gear or illegal imports you are likely to experience lengthy delays at the border, cleaning costs and infringement fines. Save yourself the hassle!

so looks like some good info out there

Originally Posted by BSA

Predominant in the US. Seasonal hunting and they feed out for their deer with corn etc. A very good possibility it was introduced by human interaction perhaps given genetic modification of crops is rampant there. Just a theory.

Yes that is a conspiracy theory.


This is the scientific understanding:
Originally there was scrapie which affected sheep.

But in the UK cows were fed extra protein including from sheep carcases. Then the treatment process for animal feeds was changed and allowed more infectivity through. Plus they used down cow carcasses going into the feed ... Sounds obvious in hindsight. So the scrapie prion adapted to cows and became mad cow disease (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) which exploded in UK cattle due to amplification from feeding dead cows to live ones.

A few cases were transmitted to humans and called variant CJD ( affects people a bit differently that the usual Creutzfeld Jakob Disease which occurs spontaneously about 1: million per year and mostly in people over 70. It was very rate but it could be transmitted by blood transfusion.

They changed the cattle feedcprocess somehow and put the kibosh on BSE. Over the last 20 yr cases of vCJD in humans have fallen away to almost zero. Thats why we are allowing people whove lived in the UK to donate blood again.

Anyone whod like references for this info, send me a PM.

Im surprised if any real deer urine could be imported into NZ but stranger stuff has happened. ( like raw pork )

Thanks new person @HuntaClimbsHigh
And @Barrythehunter . CWD would be real bad for hunting in NZ as control would make 1080 for TB look namby pamby by comparison.

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Yes that is a conspiracy theory.


This is the scientific understanding:
Originally there was scrapie which affected sheep.

But in the UK cows were fed extra protein including from sheep carcases. Then the treatment process for animal feeds was changed and allowed more infectivity through. Plus they used down cow carcasses going into the feed ... Sounds obvious in hindsight. So the scrapie prion adapted to cows and became mad cow disease (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) which exploded in UK cattle due to amplification from feeding dead cows to live ones.

A few cases were transmitted to humans and called variant CJD ( affects people a bit differently that the usual Creutzfeld Jakob Disease which occurs spontaneously about 1: million per year and mostly in people over 70. It was very rate but it could be transmitted by blood transfusion.

They changed the cattle feedcprocess somehow and put the kibosh on BSE. Over the last 20 yr cases of vCJD in humans have fallen away to almost zero. Thats why we are allowing people whove lived in the UK to donate blood again.

Anyone whod like references for this info, send me a PM.

Im surprised if any real deer urine could be imported into NZ but stranger stuff has happened. ( like raw pork )

Thanks new person @HuntaClimbsHigh
And @Barrythehunter . CWD would be real bad for hunting in NZ as control would make 1080 for TB look namby pamby by comparison.

Thanks for the great reply. Just found out recently that I can give blood now having been born and raised over there until 2001 when I left for good.

Sorry forgot to mention that infectivityvis very high in specific organs like brain and spinal cof but very low in meat and utine.

Interesting. Eating CWD infected venison could be fatal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...l_article_link