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An old thread got revived on the other forum regarding colour of clothing when hunting so I put up the link below that may be of interest.Gives you an idea that whatever colour you wear you may still be potentially at risk if the shooter doesn't Positively Identify The Target. Might be of interest to some.
https://www.colourblindawareness.org...our-blindness/
as I've always said there's shooters and there's hunters shooters just want to shoot something hunters have a specific target in mind. That said tho where there is a human involved there is always the potential for fuk ups sometimes with tragic results
There seems to be a fair bit of research out there suggesting colour blind people have some advantages as hunters as the increased sensitivity to shape and texture means they are less likely to be fooled by camouflage.
This certainly bears out for me as I always had a knack for spotting animals from a young age and it's now become my career (bugs and fish mostly!).
It'd be interesting to see any stats but i'd be very surprised if colour blindness was a factor in failing to properly identify target incidents.
Im colour blind for red and green I see yellow or orange like safety vest colour everywhere in the bush so i got my daughter a blue camo hat and shirt. Theres no natural blue in the bush and it stands out real well
Blue. There's a reason that Fonterra use blue on their fleet and that is to improve visibility of them on the road.
Yep, I agree. Blue sticks out like hairy dog’s bollocks.
We avoid wearing or having any gear that is blue in the bush. From our experience it is like a neon sign to insects , especially bee's and wasps and anything else with a stinger and attracts them from miles around.
Don't do blue at all.
heard a story many years ago about my older school mates dad, the dads uncle. Both done a bit of hunting.
The dad and the uncle (colourblind and the point of this anecdote) were about to go out when the the uncle saw the red chequered swanndri that the dad had to wear.
He said bugger that. It was the exact same colour to him as a red deer. Whilst this highlights that he was not always identifying his target properly, he had a system whereby nothing else in the scrub was that colour and helped him work it out.
I would also suggest back in those days and the areas the old fella hunted very, very unlikely to see someone else so for him it worked, but still a bad practice
Definitely not ideal
being that we always hunt public land - I wear a blaze orange shirt, wife wears a pink one - might've saved us too. One time in the Kaimai's as we pushed through some scrub another hunter called out to us - "hey, good on you for the high vis - I thought you were a deer" As it turns out he was in forest camo and I didn't spot him until he moved out of the scrub he was concealed in - whilst I didn't see it I got the impression we were being lined up with his rifle a moment earlier.
The times I've come across other hunters those with Orange have been really easy to spot, yellow is a little harder but still beats camo
There is a huge difference between 'Blaze' and 'Fluro'. The fluro converts some of the non visible spectrum to visible light and so is brighter than surrounding objects. Blaze can loose its colour in the shadows imo
So why is the blaze clothing not a blend of orange AND blue?
And why is there bugger all of it for sale? Especially summer weight? Can get blaze fleece ok but seems if you want something thin for peak summer it's wear a mesh vest cover other clothing. Gap in the market?
I have a couple of bright orange Nike Tshirts that I've been wearing lately with the heat - solid / no camo/ break up though but cooler than the Stoney Creek fleece shirt when its hot
Have lost a good mate due to misidentification in the bush. I only do blue. Not a blaze orange fan. My Dad is colour deficient in red/green as is my wife and brother. I have clearly experienced my Dads difficulty in locating orange track markers and red blood in the bush through my life as it looks brown to him. Blue is a different story, completely unnatural and it is seen by all of them much easier. We have bumped into hunters in the bush whilst wearing blaze blue and had them comment on how easy it made it to identify us as something out of place. None of this is an excuse to properly identifying your target but human factor and mistakes are real and they will never ever go away. Therefor when in the bush during busy times like the roar I choose blue to maximise my chance of coming home to my family. What I look like to deer is an after thought in these situations.
Agree --- Wasps ----have got a thing about blue, been wearing blue overalls while watching a large nest get destroyed. Pest control man an Australian, thought it was a huge joke, apparently it only the wasps coming back that get you.
I have a blue blaze ridgeline tee that is nice and breathable mesh sorta stuff. Brilliant on hot days but they don't wear well if you are bush hunting.
Agree with blue being horrible for attracting bugs, especially wasps but after a couple close-ish calls with other hunters I would take the wasp over a couple thousand feet per second lead any day.
Probably reason for most hi-vis/blaze being in fleeceis that the roar occurs in colder time of year and market probably only thinks people get shot during the roar.
There are definitely warmer weather variants out there though.
i had blue blaze air mesh jacket made for the dog way easier to see than the orange blaze https://youtu.be/OUWBE75VYbU
Pink for me. Got there via orange and then blue.
Really stands out that blue on your dog @scotty
Watch out road cones and road workers.
What about a Ghillie suit? Ever seen a green rabbit or deer?
True!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
But there’s retards that operated in the principle of ‘if it moves - shoot!’
Madness wears a bright blue top and shoots more deer than half the forum here put together, a decent hunter could wear a pink tutu and still shoot deer.
Saw 2 blokes on Sunday morning in the latest and very expensive brand clothing from top to toe. Told us they had got 2 yearlings.Sweet. They left. My son turned to me and said so my shorts, home made t shirt is not good enough but what the heck the 8 pt velvety huge red stag in the back makes up for it. LOL. His mate in Taupo goes fly fishing in the Waitahanui in fluoro work clothes and hauls out big brown trout while the Jaffas in their expensive Simms gear get nothing.Admittedly he ties his own flies.
This is an interesting watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9gbl-RS14A
Though it seems to indicate blue is the worst possible colour to wear?
I’ve used my phone to take a picture of me and Mrs Finnwolf in our hunting gear and edited the resulting photos to black and white mode to get an idea of what we might look like to a deer.
i myself just wear plain green mostly , not camo , on the theory that no animals are green . And really if someone is going to shoot at movement I don't think clothing colour will make a blind bit of difference , particularly if colour blindness comes into it. The story put forward by moa about the poor cyclist who got shot at from close range while pumping up his bike tyre in an open area is a perfect example of 'how the f#@k can you mistake them for an animal' and start taking pot shots ,but people do anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
Idiots...
It could be argued you would be safer in a ghillie suit as those idiots would be less likely to see you in the first place...?
There is an easier way (stolen from elsewhere):Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
Go here and upload a photo of your choice,
http://www.colblindor.com/cobl...blindness-simulator/
then select:
Red-Blind/Protanopia
for a good simulation of what a deer would see.
What are the best patterns and colours to be invisible to game animals may not be the best to be visible to humans as a human.
Seems for most people when heading to the hills (& most hence clothing manufacturers, clothing buyers, etc) the thoughts are biased towards being invisible to animals.
I know which end of the animal human visibility/invisibility scale I’d rather be! Home with no meat, or not home?
Seems like a mix of orange and blue broken pattern might give best of both. Why isn’t hunting clothing made like that?
Clothing companies don't seem to be sophisticated enough yet to make camo clothing for hunting wild game. It is all pseudo-military.
Why do duck hunters wear camo patterns when hunting and camo their faces/hands - birds can see colour.
Why do deer hunters wear camo - the study in the US some years ago (NZ has never done a study like this) on Whitetail deer identified their eyes can see different spectums of colour like various shades - not quite like black and white that dogs see. In short hunting deer in most States in the US, you have to wear mainly bright orange clothing (NZ version is Blaze orange - a patent i believe?) as deer don't see this colour as humans do.
Then some years ago, a version of Blue fleece came onto the NZ market, designed in NZ i believe? Down side to this new blue was when it got wet, it went dull. But remains bright during the day though a colour deer can identify with which is likely why a majority of NZ hunters haven't entirely taking a liking to. The bright blue colour appears to be a harder product to produce that stays bright in all weather conditions - NZ hunting clothing research into other green/brown camo patterns have advanced heaps in recent years with more disruptive natural bush/tree patterns on the market that might have their origins in the military but are far different that stated by some. And we all know deer with their acute senses rely on sight, smell, movement - they get 2 out of the 3 and they are usually off.
On a different note, many deer hunters also prefer not to be seen by other hunters in the bush - whether you agree or not hunters over the years have been shot by others while wearing a blaze cap, beanie as they have only seen part of the person in the bush, usually shot at short distance (the Haurangi's incident, the Kamai's incident to name a couple). I have also interviewed a deer hunter about 15 yrs ago involved in a fatality in the Sth Island - the orange hat, he thought was part of the deer's neck. So where do you think the fault lies - Identify your target.
And on the side, we see some Kiwis's wear military style clothing out shopping - a fad obviously as Mums are wearing the stuff too! Nothing to do with hunting i guess.
Just a point of view.
just a little sidestep off topic ...... more importantly from the view of what a deer sees is what you wash your gear in . if you let management toss your hunting gear in with the everyday wash then you will stick out like a big neon sign the ultra brightners in washing products wont do you any favours.
I've been told the same thing.... they're supposed to be more sensitive to UV light and washing powder has UV brightener included or something along those lines..
Correct about UV brighteners in washing powder. On the same shelves are powders without brighteners. NZ Hunting shops also sell UV Killers by the bottle. The US research also mentioned this as a factor what deer eyes see.
Nah! you'll just be mistaken for a DoC worker:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil_H
Or a Naturalist..