Thread: Commercial vs Recreational Hunting in NZ

Geez and here I was thinking we would both agree on what I wrote @R93.... Just remember what I write is not based on fact, its mostly emotion. And it is only my opinion and if you ask my wife she will confirm that I am usually always wrong.

This thread was just called commercial vs recreational hunting. I have taken the title of Commercial hunting to mean guides taking paying clients out onto DOC land to shoot deer. I have not mentioned or commented on WARO. That is a topic for another thread......

Originally Posted by R93

Hunting guides are using public land for commercial gain.
A huge % of tourism ventures are using public land. What is the difference? I believe the main difference is that deer are a resource and can theoretically be removed 100%. i.e the last one in a herd could be shot. A tourist operator say paying a concession to use a river for a rafting business is not removing the resource he is using, unlike shooting a deer. And it is there for the next person. So that is what I believe the difference is. And for the purpose of this thread what is your stand on commercial hunting? Like in the case of the mainland whitetail herd?

I also have to ask if waro is ceased completely how do we manage the animals?
Search and destroy?
Poison?
Government funded hunting?

Please dont say recreational hunting.

Waro can possibly be done sustainably to appease all parties but somewhere along the line someone is going to miss out.

I am all for a change concerning waro but the first thing is to get the animals classed differently to what they are now. 100% Agree

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Originally Posted by Kudu

Geez and here I was thinking we would both agree on what I wrote @R93.... Just remember what I write is not based on fact, its mostly emotion. And it is only my opinion and if you ask my wife she will confirm that I am usually always wrong.

This thread was just called commercial vs recreational hunting. I have not mentioned or commented on WARO. That is a topic for another thread......

I am not having a go at you @Kudu.
I opened this thread coz I was enjoying the discussion with you.

To be fair I agree with a lot of what you are saying.
I am genuinly interested if you have any answers or solutions.
Sorry if I come across wrong.



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Originally Posted by R93

I am not having a go at you @Kudu.
I opened this thread coz I was enjoying the discussion with you.

To be fair I agree with a lot of what you are saying.
I am genuinly interested if you have any answers or solutions.
Sorry if I come across wrong.
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No its all good. Its a good conversation. I do have answers and solutions. But whether or not anyone agrees or not is another story.....

Basically there is nothing wrong with Commercial Hunting on private land and I have been involved in that industry for a few years.(Not currently) But I am not keen on it, as I have said before happening on DOC land. This is because I have seen the dollar over rule ethics in the past.

1. First the classification of Pest needs to be removed from deer.
2. Then there needs to be areas of interest set aside for herds to flourish. Like the mainland whitetail herd, the wapiti area, certain otago and canterbury areas for example.
3. These areas need to be managed as a private hunter only resource. i.e not commercial, no WARO, no 1080 and with guidelines in place. Like what can be shot, numbers etc. And I am not talking whole national parks, just certain areas so the weekend hunter can go and shoot his couple of spikers for the pot in other parts.
4. This area set aside will help everyone though as the quality of deer improve they will spread to other areas naturally.
5. Since these certain areas will not be huge they can be managed easily for pests etc, which is why 1080 will not be needed.

My fingers hurt now so I can't type anymore....... but the brain is working overtime...lol

Originally Posted by Kudu

No its all good. Its a good conversation. I do have answers and solutions. But whether or not anyone agrees or not is another story.....

Basically there is nothing wrong with Commercial Hunting on private land and I have been involved in that industry for a few years.(Not currently) But I am not keen on it, as I have said before happening on DOC land. This is because I have seen the dollar over rule ethics in the past.

1. First the classification of Pest needs to be removed from deer.
2. Then there needs to be areas of interest set aside for herds to flourish. Like the mainland whitetail herd, the wapiti area, certain otago and canterbury areas for example.
3. These areas need to be managed as a private hunter only resource. i.e not commercial, no WARO, no 1080 and with guidelines in place. Like what can be shot, numbers etc. And I am not talking whole national parks, just certain areas so the weekend hunter can go and shoot his couple of spikers for the pot in other parts.
4. This area set aside will help everyone though as the quality of deer improve they will spread to other areas naturally.
5. Since these certain areas will not be huge they can be managed easily for pests etc, which is why 1080 will not be needed.

My fingers hurt now so I can't type anymore....... but the brain is working overtime...lol

That's what I was after. We are on the same page.

However I am of the opinion and witnessing what happens in areas like this, waro/selective harvesting may have to be allowed if the numbers warrant it.

I would also like the management of these said areas to be separate from the government somehow.






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