Thread: Commercial vs Recreational Hunting in NZ

Originally Posted by kimjon

Makes sense to me. Like I said earlier, I have a hunters bias...so as bad as it sounds, I'm okay with the bush steadily declining as I really can't see any way of changing things now.

We all make choices, often to or own detriment. I like alcohol...a lot. Same with eating junk food, and driving and riding vehicles with internal combustion engines. I know I'm an asshole... but there's a lot of others pretending not to be...they're only deluding themselves.

Do you actually see bush steadily declining? I see the opposite....what was nice openish bush with a few game trails is now choked thick under-story in a lot of areas round here.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Do you actually see bush steadily declining? I see the opposite....what was nice openish bush with a few game trails is now choked thick under-story in a lot of areas round here.

1080?

Originally Posted by kimjon

1080?

for the most part but also huge increase in population/hunters/ everyone has a 4wd /boat/thermal/nv etc

I think most hunters find these conversions very uncomfortable to participate in, as if you choose to argue a pro hunting stance - you're basically saying you value your own hunting opportunities more than the preservation/restoration of the New Zealand environment. But don't feel like it's just you (hunters)...hardly anyone truly cares about the environment. Business, governments, council's, farming, forestry...etc...etc...all pretend to care, but they really don't. If we/they truly did give a fuck, non of us would be living the current lifestyle we are. Once you admit to not fully caring about these things, it's quite liberating as you no longer have to come up with justifications.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Do you actually see bush steadily declining? I see the opposite....what was nice openish bush with a few game trails is now choked thick under-story in a lot of areas round here.

Have you thought about how weather patterns have changed? Nelson used to be dry as a nun's cnut when the rain only came with south westerlies. There's a lot more crap weather from the noth east now days. Maybe the extra watering's helping the growth?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Do you actually see bush steadily declining? I see the opposite....what was nice openish bush with a few game trails is now choked thick under-story in a lot of areas round here.

I too, would agree....seems to me a lot of land being transferred back to its original owners,are now ......”Gorse farms”.....sarcasim included