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View Poll Results: WHAT deer do you shoot normally

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  • antlered stags only

    2 1.47%
  • the first animal I see

    60 44.12%
  • hinds where possible

    24 17.65%
  • spikers where possible

    2 1.47%
  • yearlings where possible

    16 11.76%
  • given the choice ....hinds first

    32 23.53%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    Where is 1080 or any poison being used on DOC land to purposefully control deer numbers? I accept that deer are often enough a by-kill (and just as often now not so much because repellent is used) but you seem to be saying that deer are actually a specific target species for poison? I haven't heard of that??
    Anywhere that repellant is not used. This is generally where TB in livestock is an issue. To the best of my knowledge all the TB poison drops on the West Coast in the last five years have targeted deer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moa Hunter View Post
    Anywhere that repellant is not used. This is generally where TB in livestock is an issue. To the best of my knowledge all the TB poison drops on the West Coast in the last five years have targeted deer
    On DOC land? News to me. Im not aware of a single instance where deer have been the target species. Can you quote an example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    On DOC land? News to me. Im not aware of a single instance where deer have been the target species. Can you quote an example?
    probably more an inference gained from the fact that DOC and all the idiot's who want pre human bush are not hard done by in the slightest when deer get knocked out in decent numbers. without sounding conspiratorial if they were targeting deer i'm not sure they'd say the quiet part out loud.
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    Sorry @Tahr, not a factual reference merely an assumption/opinion I guess - more importantly not a point I was trying to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahrzan View Post
    Sorry @Tahr, not a factual reference merely an assumption/opinion I guess - more importantly not a point I was trying to make.
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    Forest service boys targeted white tail on Stewart island in the eighties 1080 gel on board leaf very effective

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRT View Post
    Forest service boys targeted white tail on Stewart island in the eighties 1080 gel on board leaf very effective

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    Yes. Long time ago, eh.

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    The thing is, that if DOC or whoever really wanted to poison deer they would up the sowing and poison rate in the baits and do what ever was necessary, and absolutely devastate them. Molesworth was a taster, but fortunately OSPRI has backed off that approach. I don't like the by-kill, but its nothing like what would happen if they turned their mind to it eradicating deer.

    The Game Council and NZDA have made good inroads into persuading the authorities to use repellent so we need to do our bit and get on with shooting more hinds when we get the choice or opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    Where is 1080 or any poison being used on DOC land to purposefully control deer numbers? I accept that deer are often enough a by-kill (and just as often now not so much because repellent is used) but you seem to be saying that deer are actually a specific target species for poison? I haven't heard of that??
    They wonít come out and say they are targeting deer but they certainly donít care about deer getting killed as a by/kill. If deer repellent isnít used they are targeting deer along with rats possums and every other critter that eats it.
    It would be a bit naive to suggest that DoC arenít targeting deer in these 1080 drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohawk .308 View Post
    They won’t come out and say they are targeting deer but they certainly don’t care about deer getting killed as a by/kill. If deer repellent isn’t used they are targeting they are targeting deer along with rats possums and every other critter that eats it.
    It would be a bit naive to suggest that DoC aren’t targeting deer in these 1080 drops.
    I agree. Im certain too they don't care about by-kill, but as I said, if they targeted deer specifically they would be devastated. Fortunately, they are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    I agree. Im certain too they don't care about by-kill, but as I said, if they targeted deer specifically they would be devastated. Fortunately, they are not.
    They’ve been targeting possums and rats for the last 60 years and they’re certainly not devastated.

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    I'm almost certain after talking to a guy at ospri that targeting ungulated was deemed animal cruelty and has been illegal for a long time. Hence why no-one can name a recent instance of targeted deer poisoning. They get away from this by using the bykill side of things put in to allow for accidental killing of natives. Now do I think they are happy when they knock down deer populations, yeh 100%. They have claimed that they don't use deer repellent due to cost but that's dubious. They have however recently improved the deer repellent as was discussed at the North Canty NZDA awhile ago where the old way was hand applied where baits where laid out on a tarp and sprayed (some blood and box type mix) with the repellant and then rolled over to get full coating. Obviously this is labor intensive and leaves a high chance that its done poorly or not at all by a lazy pilot. The new stuff was made to be mixed directly into the pellet at manufacturing. From the studys done this doubled the effectiveness as a deer repellant and halfed the cost. This is was our groups need to be pushing to be required in every drop that happens. We won't stop them dropping the stuff so we need damage control and if its made cheap enough we a re way more likely to get the general public behind needing to use deer repellant than to get them to make it stop all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohawk .308 View Post
    Theyíve been targeting possums and rats for the last 60 years and theyíre certainly not devastated.
    So Molesworth was nothing to be concerned about then?

    Damned Im in an argumentative frame of mind. Lockdown I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    So Molesworth was nothing to be concerned about then?

    Damned Im in an argumentative frame of mind. Lockdown I guess
    You’ll be ok I’m off to work soon
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    It's depends on the AREA and time of year in SOMEPLACES.
    So not a blanket yes.
    But yes.
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