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    Is this the end of stapling your pig dog?


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    ummm yes n no...reading the article right through,it appears the dags were a bit past a little bit of TLC at home....seems the falla had previous run in with SPCA over non trreatment so shouldve known better
    once again someone stuck shit on social media and it led them into crap.
    the SPCA has chased/prosecuted pig hunters for over 30 years if and when they get a hold of evidence of something not being right....I recall it being done in 80s when a video recorder was sent in for repairs..the tape was watched and owner ended up in court.

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    It will be interesting to read the SPCA report and see what weighting is given to the infected nose dog vs the stapled one.
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    From the first reported incident in 2017 to current, a pattern of neglect with his dogs in how he gave them treatment. And that's from what was reported - a bit more behind the scenes here and a few other people know this too. The Court Outcome in this case is correct from my perspective. Not so sure what Mickey Duck is on about - speculating? Do you know this fella on a personal level? I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunteast View Post
    From the first reported incident in 2017 to current, a pattern of neglect with his dogs in how he gave them treatment. And that's from what was reported - a bit more behind the scenes here and a few other people know this too. The Court Outcome in this case is correct from my perspective. Not so sure what Mickey Duck is on about - speculating? Do you know this fella on a personal level? I do.
    We showed a pig dog being stapled on our show a fortnight back, although in that instance, an anti-clotting agent was also used and the dog was then flown back by helicoptor to the vet, so shows a bit more concern for the animal's welfare than this prize prick demonstrated.
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    Hunteast..... I agree on face of it the court ruling is correct.
    he was pursued the 2nd time BECAUSE of posting stapling on social media according to article if I read it right...the spca saw it and then followed up...yeah guess thats speculating but not a huge leap really.... he has history of NOT looking after dogs well....spca saw his dog was hurt ,so followed up to check if they were being cared for properly if I read between the lines correctly...
    as for the video tape bit...remember it clearly.

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    I've been reading this post and don't really know much about this fellow but if you have a dog in the state of the one with the snout wound then you definitely need pointing in the right direction it's a disgrace to let a wound get to that condition and I think I can say 99% of pig hunters wouldn't let it get that far I've pigged for most of my life and we stitched until staples came in we never had problems like that because the wounds were looked after twice a day until they were almost healed anything too big for us or life threatening to the dog went to the vet nobody wanted to loose a precious hunting dog if he can't afford vet or medical expenses for your dog then he can't afford a dog full stop and he also sounds like a repeat offender so maybe the spca is doing him a favour as well as the dogs it's blokes like him that make give pig hunters a bad name and make it hard to stay pigging and I think most piggers would agree
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    Really dont get pig hunting (especially with holders) who would want to eat a dirty old pig that's probably been feeding on all manner of dead rank shit and then on top of that has been chased and in a scrap for the last moments of its life, seems to me that there is one glaringly obvious reason people do it and that's some kind of bloodlust. Every pig hunter I have met seems to consider it some kind of badge of honour all the scars on their dogs. Why not just run bailers if you really have to use dogs? Or better still just run a pointer and shoot the bloody thing without stirring it up and chasing it halfway across the country before killing it.
    I have never liked wild pork, have had it quite a few times (all dogged) and it literally makes me dry retch and I'm fairly certain that their diet and the fact they have died in extremely stressful circumstances has a lot to do with that
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    Honestly the dogs want it period! The hunt is in them, no not by all means all dogs ...Many fail, some will boar shy, some back leg holders and one or two will be exceptional.

    Pigs like a rabbit bred fast, a 7 month old sow will breed 2-6 suckers , and honestly they will live anywhere, from the snow line to the but no preferred swamp! They are a serious cunning animal smart, tough and resilient.

    Back to the dogs, once they get some kills in ...no not chewing pigs to death ..but hunts in they change from a dog/ pup to basicly a wolf ( for want of a better word). Bailers will hold a small pig which causes problems confidence builds balls suddenly your bailer thinks it's a wolf and wants to get in on the kill. Some will bail many will bail hold.

    Then comes the hunters ...as others have said .a good dog is priceless and great dog is beyond value...but like dairy farmers and hands some are priceless some are golden some are average and some are cunts! This is article is as normal about a bloke who for what ever reason is shit at caring about animals.

    Nothing is simple, I love dogs and pig dogs episcially, that said I've met dogs and owners that I would never want to share time with again. Scars on dogs mean bugger all to me...a hurt dog is never a good thing..nothing makes your gut hurt looking at a dog with a limp.

    People are the same some will be ok with a scrappy dog so long as it's hurting other dogs.

    Bit like bone hunters verse , long rangers ,verse meat hunters shooting fat velvet stags , verse helihunters , verse roar hunters , verse paying hunters, verse safaris ....each does it for themselves ...each has their own group of supporters and detractors ...

    But this is NZ and for now run the hounds. Perfect no agreed , that said neither is poison , baiting or trapping. But we do it for free the others cost the tax payer ..and the dogs they love it!
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    Also it says he stapled more than the skin. It was down into the flesh and wounds that were not healing properly.

    Pig hunting isnt my thing. But you are absolutely right about the vast majority of pig hunters do care about their ddogs. And a hurt / unhealed dog is no good to them. The minority giving the majority a bad name.

    A workmate had an ex pig hunting dog as a pet. She was old and arthritic. Hadnt been pig hunting for years and a pig hunting segment was on tv. The squealing pigs had her up and running around the house all the excitement and stress of the hunt. Said it took her a good 30mins to calm down properly haha.
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    Guess my best example would be ..three mutly hounds lying in the afternoon sun, off the collar sitting with me and a mate yarning etc doing our best to idle away the afternoon ...neighbour comes over there is a pig coming out each evening tearing into the crop paddock.

    ..long story short ..sun eased evening breeze kicked in ...I got up ..no one moved not a hound or my mate ...got the tracking collars and tracker out of cupboard ....walked outside with a handful of collars ...said any one want to go hunting ...Roudy wanders over put a collar on him....switch ....pigdog amped up keen as fuck ...the rest are bounding about wanting to be collared ....off hunting ...no pig hours of effort Ks done ...shit dogs? Shit owner? Smart pig ...most likely ... we were to early I expect. That is my most precious pigdog story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stingray View Post
    Honestly the dogs want it period! The hunt is in them, no not by all means all dogs ...Many fail, some will boar shy, some back leg holders and one or two will be exceptional.

    Pigs like a rabbit bred fast, a 7 month old sow will breed 2-6 suckers , and honestly they will live anywhere, from the snow line to the but no preferred swamp! They are a serious cunning animal smart, tough and resilient.

    Back to the dogs, once they get some kills in ...no not chewing pigs to death ..but hunts in they change from a dog/ pup to basicly a wolf ( for want of a better word). Bailers will hold a small pig which causes problems confidence builds balls suddenly your bailer thinks it's a wolf and wants to get in on the kill. Some will bail many will bail hold.

    Then comes the hunters ...as others have said .a good dog is priceless and great dog is beyond value...but like dairy farmers and hands some are priceless some are golden some are average and some are cunts! This is article is as normal about a bloke who for what ever reason is shit at caring about animals.

    Nothing is simple, I love dogs and pig dogs episcially, that said I've met dogs and owners that I would never want to share time with again. Scars on dogs mean bugger all to me...a hurt dog is never a good thing..nothing makes your gut hurt looking at a dog with a limp.

    People are the same some will be ok with a scrappy dog so long as it's hurting other dogs.

    Bit like bone hunters verse , long rangers ,verse meat hunters shooting fat velvet stags , verse helihunters , verse roar hunters , verse paying hunters, verse safaris ....each does it for themselves ...each has their own group of supporters and detractors ...

    But this is NZ and for now run the hounds. Perfect no agreed , that said neither is poison , baiting or trapping. But we do it for free the others cost the tax payer ..and the dogs they love it!
    Some dogs also love scrapping with other dogs.. should we start up a dog fight arena?
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    sorry you hunt? I fish , I hunt , I kill , farmers remove worthless bull calves. People ring ram lambs .

    people show cats , birds , dogs .....I know of show cats that are drugged err medicated so that they are more personable...

    So you have a shit of a cow ...you know...kicking shitting pushing etc ...where does this heifer end up ? Goodby 647
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    Sorry no more live baits when at White Island chasing kingi's or marlin. ..do your cows like being milked constantly ...AI and put into calf again and again to produce milk? ..hell let them relax have a calf raise it wean it and then graze until the next season.
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    I was bought up in the Pelorus, pig hunting. It was essential work in the winter to prevent large losses of lambs in the spring. Dad had superb farm dogs (he qualified dogs for the national dog trials well into his eighties) and we always had one or two specialist pig dogs. They were a bit different in style to what I see the guys using currently but I don't think that matters, the specialists held and the farm dogs bailed (usually). The thing about pork is it eats on your plate in accordance with its diet. Pork from about the Hurinui south is generally pretty poor eating, and I would't thank you for Southland wild pork. However Marlborough wild pork is truly the meat of kings, superb eating.

    The other thing is to consider all hunting styles as "legitimate" , so bloody important that we seek to understand what others in allied pursuits do and feel about their sport
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