Thread: Help Stop 1080, please sign

This is a link to a news report and not the actual report I was looking for but non the less it is worth reading.

As I'm involved with a couple of community groups that are targeting both animal and plant problems I've been watching the progress these trials have been making in the Perth River area and their pre baiting and refining of applications of 1080 are bringing some encouraging results. Have not followed the latest stuff as closely as I probably should have and will refrain from making any observations on the latest until I've read more.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/ne...st-controllers

Originally Posted by Woody

Nup. Been through that too msny times. Thevtruth is out there. Go seek, and ye shall find.

Just what I expected. When challenged for some evidence to back up your claims you didn't/couldn't/wouldn't offer any.

I'm not a 1080 fan either, but as others have said it seems to be most cost effective option for NZ at the present.

Well one eyed creatures and trolls are not something I can be bothered with any more. Try www.1080science.co.nz for starters. Then 1080P HD Shoot and edit
Then look up tge submissions to the 2007 ERMA review.
Then look up the submissions to the AHB REVIEW 2010 /11. Once you have all that @Cyclops you might have some actual rational thoughts. In the meantine f off you trolking coward.

Well one eyed creatures and trolls are not something I can be bothered with any more. Try www.1080science.co.nz for starters. Then 1080P HD Shoot and edit
Then look up tge submissions to the 2007 ERMA review.
Then look up the submissions to the AHB REVIEW 2010 /11. Once you have all that @Cyclops you might have some actual rational thoughts. In the meantine f off you trolling coward.

Well one eyed creatures and trolls are not something I can be bothered with any more. Try www.1080science.co.nz for starters. Then 1080P HD Shoot and edit
Then look up tge submissions to the 2007 ERMA review.
Then look up the submissions to the AHB REVIEW 2010 /11. Once you have all that @Cyclops you might have some actual rational thoughts. In the meantine f off you trolling coward.

This is a link to more research that involves the use of 1080 for predator control (a 22 year study) and the impact on our native species. The dedication and effort applied by scientists and volunteers in this work is inspirational.

https://predatorfreenz.org/kiwi-1080...Gh-TuTuwdvi7TA

Well worth a read.

There exists a consensus 1080 does the job, albeit you have to keep dropping tons and tons of it, forever. But it is a cruel death and does not always kill. Deliberate infliction of animal suffering is what we are talking about here. SPCA has gotten off the 1080 bandwaggon for that reason.

BTW, I have a brick of CCI 'Deerslayer' .22LR. Will evt kill most deer even with a gut shot.
Any interest?

Originally Posted by Mr Browning

What are they? Im sure the majority of NZ will get right behind it if it is more economic and effective.

Not if it involves firearms use I suspect.

Problem with trapping is it is a higher manpower option. More people at work getting paid. For mass poison dumps the profits will be concentrated in fewer hands.

I am personally not that worried about totally inaccessible areas. Leave them aside for now, we'll get to them eventually.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Problem with trapping is it is a higher manpower option. More people at work getting paid. For mass poison dumps the profits will be concentrated in fewer hands.

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i was gonna say the "more people at work getting paid" should fit with this govt socialist policies......but then i remembered reading a book at school called "Animal Farm" (probably banned from schools now) it was directly based on post revolution russia and its socialist ideology......needless to say the elite get richer and more powerful while the worker peasants get .....well fucked over.
so the poison dumps seem to fit better with a socialist govt when we talk money and profits

Well I’ve signed it.

1080 has become a self-sustaining industry with too many interested parties to want to give it up. The argument that there are no viable alternatives is often wheeled out, but all it proves is that there has been woeful investment in developing targeted, more humane options. Biological controls specific to rats, possums etc? What about poisons specific to those critters too? Indiscriminate poisoning in the hope that only the good stuff will come back doesn’t sit well with me. I would also like to be able to hunt with my dog without the worry that she might not come home with me.

The 1080 argument (its rarely a debate) is a divisive one: its like region, with those who believe and those who don’t. I think most if not all of us can agree that we want rid of rats, stoats, possums, mice etc, but we need a more intelligent approach to get there. 1080 isn’t going to do it by 2050 and there will be huge collateral damage along the way.

Originally Posted by scotty

i was gonna say the "more people at work getting paid" should fit with this govt socialist policies......but then i remembered reading a book at school called "Animal Farm" (probably banned from schools now) it was directly based on post revolution russia and its socialist ideology......needless to say the elite get richer and more powerful while the worker peasants get .....well fucked over.
so the poison dumps seem to fit better with a socialist govt when we talk money and profits

The issue we are dealing with is primarily one of distraction, dissipated energies and an unwillingness to take on responsibility.

The government or for that matter any administrative body is operating at our behest which is to say we are the government, governments and our representatives are voted in and out and there are established and enshrined avenues for us (even as individuals) to influence the out come of current policy if we choose to take action and become involved (a democratic process of sorts) - adopting a position of entrenched and childish objection to a perceived 'position' the government may be habitually and cynically therapeutic for those who have chosen or built that out look but it results in not only a waste of their time and effort (such as it is) but is a cop out. Moaning and wining that it's "them", "they doing it all wrong", "they're out to get us" etc etc is a piss weak way to do anything and of course you don't have to take on any personal responsibility for anything at that level cause "they're spposed to fix it".

At least the fella who started this thread has the nuts to do something and that's important, he's involved, he's doing his bit - I don't need to agree with his current position within the debate to applaud and respect that. I would love to see that energy focused towards working on a solution that would free us from 1080 and I suspect he would as well.

Finding yourself in a continual position of objecting to what ever it may be no matter which side of the political spectrum you sit in is itself wearing and I have found that the best way forward is simply to do something. Something active, something positive and in a creative rather than a negative mode. It's simply easier and produces results and also may inspire those around you.

Demonstrated so apparently here - attempting to mold information to promote your own outlook is a waste of our time and energies. Do the research, understand the topic - then your input is worth while. Orwell's superb piece was a balanced criticism of both socialism and capitalism and he was perhaps ultimately reflective upon 'the human condition'.

The debate around 1080 is a passionate and emotive one, and it should be as we all care about the outcome but harnessing emotion at the expense of peer reviewed hard data ... actually as I'm writing this I've realised that it may not be all negative as it's probably one of the most transparently rediculous aspects of the ban 1080 argument that it's a fairly quick way of assessing the validity of that stance for most who 'drop in' to check it out but may not have the time or inclination to research it fully.


Since I'm now officially an old cunt I can see that there are younger generations who were not lucky enough to experience the bush and the hill in a less predated state, where bird life was significant and there's no way I can describe that deafening dawn chorus - you have to experience it - I need to do what I can to restore. it.

I don’t get the whole humane debate, killing vertebrates chemically is certainly no tickling contest.
Is it any worse than cats, rats, stoats & possums raiding nests and eating fledgling chicks and insects alive?

Put simply, 1080 is a pesticide that has high efficacy of controlling mammals.

I suspect we wouldn’t be having this discussion if deer and dogs weren’t such a prevalent bi-kill.

It's great to see some moderate attitudes toward 1080 use coming out in this thread.

Like I said the fog is far to thick for many to see through unless of course they are involved and many are.
Some of us on these forums work for certain outfits that push these poisons through and are usually quick to put down and defend.
I'm well past giving a f*** about 1080 myself and now see it as no more than entertainment on line, especially when the trolls turn up with their utter crap,love it.
Keep up the entertainment chaps keeps an ol prick happy

Originally Posted by Woody

Well one eyed creatures and trolls are not something I can be bothered with any more. Try www.1080science.co.nz for starters. Then 1080P HD Shoot and edit
Then look up tge submissions to the 2007 ERMA review.
Then look up the submissions to the AHB REVIEW 2010 /11. Once you have all that @Cyclops you might have some actual rational thoughts. In the meantine f off you trolling coward.

FWIW I am neither a troll nor a coward - if you knew me you'd not make those claims.

All I did was challenge you to put up some material to back up your statements which you have. THANK YOU.

There is/was no reason to get rude and/or personal about my challenge to you.
It reflects poorly upon you that you have to reply that way. Have a good life.