Hello . I am just new here. Anybody use sks to hunt? Any story for that?
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Hello . I am just new here. Anybody use sks to hunt? Any story for that?
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They work good as on goats. I dont see why it wont work good as on deer.
It's a 308. If you feel comfortable that you can hit your target it will drop most anything in NZ.
Aren't they 7.62x39
Ive got a SKS a lot of fun ,semi cheap to run, reliable ,swapped out the wooden stock for a "synthetic Dragunov stock" chucked on a Bi-Pod.Quote:
Originally Posted by airliuwei
Very easy to clean and maintain also ,so guess no story ... just straight to bed ... ? ;)
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Originally Posted by Toby
Yeah they are, I shouldn't have over simplified. The effective range of a 7.62x39 is 600m, at least that's what we're told on basic. it should be sufficient and it's similar to a 30-30
I'm not sure 600m capability is what we can suggest the effective deer hunting range of an sks is.....especially to a new be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eion
:wtfsmilie: mate, you need to take a long hard look at energy left in both those calibers at anything beyond 200mQuote:
Originally Posted by Eion
x39 is a great caliber for close in bush hunting in NZ, but there is absolutely nothing effective about it at even half the max ranges you mention, at least not if you want a clean, ethical kill
Fixed it for ya! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eion
Eion, here you go
http://www.remington.com/en/pages/ne...allistics.aspx
Select the caliber from the drop down.
Look at the energy row, as a rule of thumb, anything below 700ft/lb is not effective for clean kill in hunting.
Your instructors in basic might have mentioned 600m as a "don't get closer than this to a person firing an AK47", but that is spray and pray type shooting, not related to hunting...
He did say he was told in "basic" so if u can hit a human at 600m it would be effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
I have both an sks and 3030 and wouldnt attempt anything further than 100m
Great bush pig, just remember to use 'soft points'.....Ive got one too, 20" barrel, for the price there hard to beat........
Let alone being able to shoot a group at 600 thats accurate enough to even try the shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Thats shit advice ebf. Clean ethical kills can not happen if you dont hit it in the right place to begin with. Gut shooting something with a 50bmg will not result in a clean kill but holy fuck look at the energy it produces. A .22 rimfire in the head will kill pretty much anything in this country also, but the energy it produces is shit. I dont know what sort of energy a bow produces but i bet that it doesnt even come close to the thousand foot pounds of energy that some hero hunters would have you believe is required for the so called "ethical kill". Forget about bullet energy for now and concentrate on shot placement.
Use the sks for hunting, theres nothing wrong with it but dont expect it to be a tack driver.
Did a fly in trip with a guy [aussie import] a few years back who had an sks, fully wooded and bayonet attached...I thought he was bloody useless and the same thought for his rifle. Always seemed to hunt with one eye on the hut. Long story short, at the end of the trip he had three deer and I had none.
I tuink the main problem hunting with an sks / ak / ar is because they are so noisy to load people walk around with them loaded all the time. Not such an issue on private property but on doc land its allmost recipe for disaster.
Geez simmer down. As I said originally, if you feel comfortable you can hit your target it will drop. If you feel comfortable that you can hit a point target at 600m with 7.62x39 full credit to you. Effective fire in the sense I used it means that either your mates or the bullets are dropping next to you. If you think the 7.62x39 incapable of doing so at 600m be my guest to piss someone off in the sand pit and see how long you last. I agree poor choice of justification that the round in that style of rifle is a capable killer. Anyway lets not start a shit fight. To state my point plainly, if you can feel confident the shot placement is on and it will go where you're aiming it'll drop most things in NZ
Exactly what part of my advice is "shit" towely ? The 700ft/lb part ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Towely
I agree about your 50bmg example. It is both energy and placement. Would you shoot a deer in the Hillar area with a 22 at 100m ?
As for your bow example, using x39 at long distances is more akin to using target arrows as opposed to using broad heads... ;)
If you think someone can consistently place bullets from a 7.62x39 into vital organs zone of an animal at the crazy distances mentioned, and have enough speed and energy left for the bullet to expand and do its job, you are welcome to your views :sick:
And just remember that we are talking in the context of RIFLE shooting, and hunting DEER.
Personally, I'd use a 22 to headshot a sheep on the farm from close range, but stay well clear of it for hunting deer. Different strokes...
Shot a deer with mine. It died.
Welcome dude, most hunting in nz is up close and personal so you wont have to worry all about long distance shit especially starting out, SKS more then does the trick on pigs and if you can hit a target upto 100m you'l be away laughing. Only way to carry one around ready to go conveniently is having one up the spout, so as long as your semi careful your sweet mate.
Ebf my mate stalks with his .22 magnum and produces the goods often..... but he's a freak at stalking :thumbsup:
The parts of this thread that I am questioning is "7.62x39 effective at 600m"... Oh, and towely telling me that the conventional wisdom of 700ft/lb of energy is "shit advice" ;)
I think it is a reasonable rule of thumb, and explains why people talk about 243 running out of steam beyond 400m, compared to 30/30 doing the same at over 200. Of course this is for "medium" sized antelope or deer. If your target is thick skinned animal like Tahr, or if you are hunting dangerous game such as buffalo, you would be wise to err on the side of more firepower. The other version that I know of is to take the weight of the animal (in lb), and multiply it by 4 for the required energy level. Again to be taken as a general rule, not gospel, so if you intend shooting an elephant, you might want to consider something with a bit less grunt than 60,000 ft/lb :D
So just to be clear:
Does ethical hunting require good shot placement ? DOH !
Can you kill something with a 22 ? DOH !
Shaneo, hope your mate is doing his freaky stalking on private land, if it is DOC land, he is violating the conditions of his permit (no rimfire, 22 hornet or shotgun)
I haven't shot anything with one, but have a lot of experience with a .30/30 and based on that I would be happy using the 7.62x39 out to 200 metres, or the distance you can effectively use the open sights it comes with. (The same for the .30/30.) I am sure the little 7.62x39 will do just fine. No matter what rifle I have carried I have shot nearly everything at less than 200 metres, (including tahr.) Go forth and hunt with your rifle.
Yup Carlsen :thumbsup: I'm putting skinner peep on my 7.62x39, figured 200 was the max I would use the caliber, and 200 is the max I am confident hitting a deer with open sights.
Plus not having to mess around with a scope in wet, thick bush is a plus :D
So when you get into a comfy fire position which once you evaluate the ground density and the angle of the slope your going to lean on and your happy with that then do you run the numbers on the weight of the animal and its relevant position to your barrel then divide that number by say 82.56 then decide weather or not its a heart shot that matches the conditions or do you need to run another eqation the decide weather you should walk back to the car because the calculater is fucked?????????................just asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Naa Necky, I haul out my portable latte machine, percolate a decaf, and then punch in the numbers into my trusty MacBook (the camo version). I don't ever have to walk more than 1.37 km coz I jus call the heli from my sat phone, much easier that way :D
Oh, and my trusty gun bearer lugs around 5 different barrel s for my Blaser, so I can just change the rifle to suit whatever animal crosses my path...
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Yea bro they have a big block near the Kaipara fallow herd
of course you can shoot deer with an sks
Now thats my type of hunting:) But take a barista with me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
I've shot a lot of animals with an sks, it it worked great out to 150m point and shoot. However I used it for culling where I brought it a long to farm shoots and the like where I expected to encounter large mobs.
I never bush hunted with it as they aren't that practical for this style of hunting and I always had other rifles (bolt action) that where more suited to that style of hunting.
For me it's all about bringing along the right tool for the job on the day....but if ever in doubt I'd just default to my bolt action as it was a good general purpose weapon that could be used in any situation.
Kj
Love the 7.62 x 39 for deer hunting in the bush, Mine is a bolt action. I dont think I have ever had a shot further than 100m. Dont believe anyone that says this is not a good deer round, It has limitations, just learn what they are.
Its so cheap to shoot you might even get good with it!