I am looking at buying a jacket and pants. I have been told stoney creek is a good branf by an experienced hunter. He also said deer can see blue. Any suggestions?
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I am looking at buying a jacket and pants. I have been told stoney creek is a good branf by an experienced hunter. He also said deer can see blue. Any suggestions?
Id place very little emphasis on colour, deer will be more worried about movement than an odd color. The blue/blaze thing is more for other humans to see you.
If it keeps you warm and dry and functions for what you want then the name tag does not mean much. The Stoney Creek stuff should be fine.
My mate hunts in an Airtex shirt and rugby shorts much to my dismay, and he's twice the hunter than Ill ever be.
Hi Remington700.270,
It all really depends on what you are after.
Do you want pants that are waterproof, windproof, dry seat, warm like fleece, light wearing to wear in summer, tough to protect your legs, dry quickly etc etc. All of these factors will be used to decide what pants you end up with, or in most cases what 3 pairs you end up with.
I will generally wear one of the following:
Shorts. Very old pair of running shorts made from nylon?? dry super quick and light and cool to wear.
Shorts with thermals if hunting in cool weather.
Stoney creek micro tough if cool weather, sandflies about or needing to protect my beautiful legs from scrub.
Fleece, these are a dime a dozen and I'm not fussed on brand.
Over trousers, if I want to keep dry but these seldom get worn hunting. Usually more when on quad bike or at camp etc.
As for jackets there are the big hunting brands about like Swazi, Hunters Element, Stoney Creek, Ridgeline etc etc all offering their versions of waterproof breathable coats. Bear in mind that most of the manufactures are trying to make a coat to be quiet as well so will have a soft brushed finish. These can "hold" a lot of water and take forever to dry. All coats have their benefits and with owning 3 of the above brands my go to jacket is usually my Swazi Tahr Anorak.
One that I would seriously consider though is going to the likes of a Macpac Jacket. These are lighter, less bulky, don't "hold" water and dry a lot quicker. They are not a traditional style hunting coat fit or design but would be well worth a look.
As for your can deer see blue question, I don't know?
Come see me at hunting and fishing danevirke today just to say hello .....and ill let you try every jacket and pants we have regaurless weather you buy one or not its good to have people come in just to shoot shit!.because theres always something else I should be doing than being stuck in a shop on a weeknd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remington700.270
Love my hunters element xtr jacket and will get the pants as well its a great light jacket. Ridgeline is shit. The stiching comes undone and it loses its water proofness. Just got the xtr so dont know how it will wear.
Thank you, I cant come in today because im still in Te Puke. Will be over one day though :)
Jeez Neckshot I can't keep up with you. So far I have you pegged for a farmer, security fencing contractor, digger operator and now a retail hunting shop dude. When do you get time for chasing animals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Don't think he has much spare time for hunting, too busy saving the world,:yaeh am not durnk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
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Crap advice right there on placing very little emphasis on colour. Of cause you could wear anything and still get close to a deer etc but colour is important as some colours stand out way more to a deer than others, more so to the contrast of the things around you hence a deer will see the movement of you far better when it sees something that sticks out differently . A deer will pick up your face and hands at times because of the contrast and see the movement easier and hence spook it where if you had them covered you prob get away with it. Blue is a shocking colour as deer can see it for miles and will pick up movement of you more easierly. Great for others to see thou but in the end people tend to get shot in the bush wearing colours that arent clearly a deer colour anyway so no matter what colour you wear its not always going to save you. You still get deer wearing anything, esp if they didnt see you anyway when you appear over the ridge etc but i bet your blue blaze on it that wearing blue will increase your chances of a deer seeing you and wandering off without you even knowing that it had seen you. Hence why some people think wearing blue is ok, i got a deer after 4 hours stalking etc when it reality could be quite likely you could of got two before that if you were wearing something better. If you that safety minded its pointless wearing blue unless your back pack and hat, pants etc are colours as well that a human cant mistake for a deer. Dress as a smurf and you be good. In the end deer arent green, so i just wear the standard green or camo gear as thats not a deer colour is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
i feel for the price of stoney creek the quality is average. ridgeline is the same possibly worse. If you want a hunting 'brand' jacket then the swazi would be the only choice. otherwise look at macpac etc.
i only wear shorts for hunting when its cold then just put long johns underneath. i have some of those microtough trousers that get raved about but frankly i think their shit, horrible to wear if you are brushing through wet foliage and i find they bind around my knees when climbing. the adjustable waist belt/belt is crap you would be better off wearing a proper leather ( or other) belt. definetly not worth the 150$ or so. stoney creek definetly have a long way to go in terms of the way a piece of clothing actually fits when being used.
have bought some sitka gear recently and thats the only gear i will be buying from now on . you dont need hunting brand gear to do the job, its more important to be comfortable warm and safe than really worried about spooking a deer because you should have had tussock camo on instead of bush camo
@deer243
I disagree with you on that. Id rather stand out to both hunters and deer than be mistaken for something im not. What happend to staying concealed and stealthy anyway.
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Agree totally CD , "Blend in or go Hungry".Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
Apparently the receptors in a deers eyes they can see both shades of red/orange & blue according to the experts.
Im not a dairy farmer .......use to be though.I work in the local shot every third sat.But thanks for the compliment Rushy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Staying concealed and stealty is clearly the way to go, i agree cd but chris comment "blend in or go hungry" agrees with my last post more than yours CD. You cant "blend in" if you stand out like dogs balls can you wearing blue that deer see for miles Its a sad state of affairs when you have to worry about what you wear so you dont get shot isnt it. Colour doesnt save you anyway in some cases, some see movement, see a tiny bit of your head , back pack etc and boom your dead. For the commerical people its just another marketing bonus, sell as much blue blaze as possible until the fave wears off. No different when they hit the jackpot with the blaze orange, sold heaps now some are thinking its crap, too much like a deer colour, esp if its faded or got crap on it. Its not the bloody colour we should be worried about, its the hunters that have poor shooting practices.. Too many dickheads out there willing to geta deer at all cost, id the bloody thing first and we all be okQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris
Yep thats why I go where people arent. Mostly private land or we other people cant be bothered going.
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G'Day Rem700.270
Lots of different opinions on this one already, but that wont stop me giving you mine:thumbsup:
I like the Stony creek micro trou, true they need a belt but I like to cover my chicken legs. I lalo added a button, domes are shit and was always giving way, possibly too many pies though! Not the best to be wearing if its super wet either, but they do dry out ok. I only wear short gaiters so like the extra protection they give me. I find they are good for scrambling around and climbing, seem to fit we well. I like the side vents on them to let heat out on a mild day or when climbing. They also seem to have held up ok, I am pretty tough on them.
I have had a hunters element XTR for a few months now, had it in some completely shit weather and it has kept me dry as a bone so far, excepting a bit of sweat on the inside. I like the flat profile, it has pit zips to let the heat out and I also like to adjustable hood. Finish is semi quiet, seems to dry out fine, will shed a bit of water before getting soaked. Good size pockets, could do with 1 pocket on the inside.
I do wear camo, rather be under the radar than having dudes pick me out in the bush, I do wear a blaze beanie at times more for warmth as it is the only 1 I have.
My advise is go with a good brand, get something that fits really well, always try jackets on with a couple of layers and check the hood for visibility and fit. I would avoid heavy brushed finish like swazi wapati coat, they get bloody heavy when wet and do take ages to dry out, pain if hunting for more than a day y trip. Get a longer coat rather than shorter, good for keeping the lower half dry and handy to be able to sit on a log,ground etc without getting a wet arse.
Anyway my thoughts, sure others will chime on in!
Cheers
Dino
Yep, that blaze stands out like dogs balls alright, shame the deer didn't get warned to watch out for it this roar......
I just mix and match what ever is lying around my room on the day. I do prefer ''quiet'' clothing that doesn't make too much noise when I'm walking...but I really don't care what I wear or look like. I've got everything from swazi gear right through to stuff from the bargain bin at the Warehouse and I have no real favourites. End of the day it all gets ripped when crawling through the thick shit anyway, so I tend to buy lower priced stuff now and replace it more often.
Although I do have the new XTR rain jacket which I do like as it works better in the rain than my Tahr anorak does and doesn't gain much weight when wet.
So, just wear what ever you feel comfortable in...and hunt into the wind, as the wind will betray you well before the colour of your clothes ever will.
kj
Whatever suits you man. I hunt in an old lightweight drizabone and stubbies. Occasionally accompanied by thermal leggings and never had an issue. My mate has a nice huntech jacket and gets same results. All preference man. Just try hide white skin ;)
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I would disagree again.Quote:
Originally Posted by deer243
Deer been shot in new zealand long before all these pop up hunting shops have said you wont catch this if you dont wear this.
Even ducks dont give a shit. i shot plenty in a yellow raincoat
FUCK OATSQuote:
Originally Posted by 6MMBR
The deer I've shot in just rugby shorts,see them before they see you job done son :D
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This year and most previous I have shot up to half a dozen deer a month, sometimes more, none have given two shits about what I'm wearing, most of them have been stalked in open country, or on clearings, and most while wearing my favourite work wear...blue levi or RMW jeans.
It does not matter what you wear to hunt in, deer have relatively poor eyesight. They respond to movement or shapes that do not blend into the surrounding environment, hence why you use bushes or rocks etc to break your silhouette and never skyline yourself in a hunting situation. The amount of deer stalked and shot while the hunter wears a blue or red checked swannie would top the thousands. A lot of my mates are hunters but also farmers, they often wear shorts and a check shirt hunting and most shoot dozens of deer, pigs, tahr, chamois each year.
If you're going to invest in gear, invest in quality. Gear takes a hammering in the scrub, mediocre garments fall to bits quickly. Why spend half the money on a cheaper similar product, only to have to replace that garment 3 times in the life of a higher quality more expensive item. Sure some companies will replace their garments if they fall to bits, but that sh*t pisses me off. Its time and effort wasted, and is unnecessary.
For me when spending a full day out hunting I'll generally wear normal long johns under huntech or swazi shorts. A thermal tee as a base layer, with a Sitka, Swazi or Huntech fleece top. I virtually live in my Swazi Severn, wear it most days at work in the office, truck, on the farm, in the scrub, etc. It is still in great condition after 6 years! Huge variety of jackets out there, I personally own Swazi gear because it is not THAT much more expensive than other hunting gear, lasts well, and its made here in NZ. For evening/morning hunts I'll throw on a pair of jeans or moleskins, any old jersey and go for a walk. Drybum fleece pants are pretty good for cold morning hunts too.
I do recommend a blaze item if you're hunting popular country, a vest is sufficient, or even a hat, although this hasn't seemed to stop the idiots failing to identify their targets and shooting their mates in the past. If I was to highly recommend one thing, that would be to invest in DECENT socks for hunting in, especially of you plan on doing plenty of walking. You won't go anywhere if your feet are buggered on a hunting trip. Bridgedales are a great investment.
Totally agree. It does not matter what you wear if you are employing the basics right. I hunt in what to me is comfortable and suitable for the task. Mainly in neutral colours or even camo.
I am positive if the mozzies and sandies were not an issue, I could shoot an animal starkers. Almost did it for Mark Ellis's Nude day once. But someone informed me, the rear view, was as bad a the front:D
I never wear blaze as I never have to hunt areas that are hammered. I can count on one hand how many times I have run into someone on the hill in over 30yrs. Pretty sure, nearly every time, I was in the Kaimanawas ;)
The idea of hunting in the nude is down right frightening. I wouldn't want to get big Rushy and the twins tangled up in bush lawyer and the thought of a stab of Ongaonga on the knob end is just eye watering. I am happy to leave that malarky to yo R93.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Deer see blue and ultraviolet very well. Watch the washing powders with colour brighteners - they have a UV reflecting or radiating substance which make you glow like a beacon to a deer, especially in low light. They also see green. Red and orange (yellow too) appears green to them. Blaze orange is a mix of red and green and probably orange too so it will look bright green to deer. Better than bright blue. I'd think the trick would be to hide the hands and face. The torso doesn't move around so much. I'm in communication with one fellow who says he's walked among deer and they did not recognize him as being different to them. He responded to their stomping by stomping back which settled them. He never shot one under these conditions, just observed them and let them be.Quote:
Apparently the receptors in a deers eyes they can see both shades of red/orange & blue according to the experts.
Never seen any in a yellow raincoat up this way - we breed 'em tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6MMBR
Shows how good a yellow raincoat hides them.:D
I'm in communication with one fellow who says he's walked among deer and they did not recognize him as being different to them. He responded to their stomping by stomping back which settled them. He never shot one under these conditions, just observed them and let them be.[/QUOTE]
I would love to do that. Amazing
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I would love to do that. AmazingQuote:
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The deer whisperer?
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The deer whisperer?Quote:
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I rekon Dynamo could pull a deer out of a hat. Probably be more chance if seeing that in my life time.
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